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Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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post #2

Obvious incompetence bordering on malevolence aside, isn't that also a violation of GDPR?

There is also the case of the secret Palantir contract in Greece. The bounds of GDPR need clarifying in respect to non EU governments and also public private partnerships.

Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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post #8

I read two articles on Politico.EU on the subject. Yet, I have a few questions. First, was there a request made to share data? Second, if there was a request made - what is the legal procedure to share data? Third, if there was no request made - why did the Portugal proactively share data?

There was no request (afaik) done by any of the involved parties.

By law, if you’re planning a rally/event/etc you have to make a request to your local mayorship, who then approves it (or not) while informing the police about it, so that security details can be planned.

Since the rallies in question involved displays related to certain countries or were held in front of embassies (like the one supporting Navalny, which brought this case to the limelight), the embassies were also informed about who the organisers were.

As some one on the comments already mentioned, it seems to be a case of Hanlon’s Razor albeit a very unfortunate (and disturbing) one

Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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Weird that they would pander to ALL foreign regimes? I understand if Portugal made itself economically dependent on imports from a China for example, and China asked „if Lisbon happed to know any trouble-makers“? But sending it out to anyone who asked, China, Israel, Russia, probably Arab states… Why?

joaofs explained what happened. It was Lisbon town hall doing this not the Portuguese government. This of course, does not excuse this new level of bureaucratic stupidity.

Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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Weird that they would pander to ALL foreign regimes? I understand if Portugal made itself economically dependent on imports from a China for example, and China asked „if Lisbon happed to know any trouble-makers“? But sending it out to anyone who asked, China, Israel, Russia, probably Arab states… Why?

Pure stupidity. Never attribute to malice what can easily be explained by incompetence and stupidity

Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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Weird that they would pander to ALL foreign regimes? I understand if Portugal made itself economically dependent on imports from a China for example, and China asked „if Lisbon happed to know any trouble-makers“? But sending it out to anyone who asked, China, Israel, Russia, probably Arab states… Why?

It wasn't to anyone that asked, the city hall sent it willingly to any embassy "relevant" to the protest in context

I don't think it was a case of pandering to economically important regimes, it was more like disgusting and malicious incompetence, like most things that come out of the public sector in Lisbon with this government

Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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post #2

Obvious incompetence bordering on malevolence aside, isn't that also a violation of GDPR?

The Lisbon city hall is being investigated by the national data protection authority over this.

(Article in Portuguese: https://sicnoticias.pt/pais/2021-06-11-Camara-de-Lisboa-pode...)

Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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post #8

I read two articles on Politico.EU on the subject. Yet, I have a few questions. First, was there a request made to share data? Second, if there was a request made - what is the legal procedure to share data? Third, if there was no request made - why did the Portugal proactively share data?

There was no request (afaik) done by any of the involved parties. By law, if you’re planning a rally/event/etc you have to make a request to your local mayorship, who then approves it (or not) while informing the police about it, so that security details can be planned. Since the rallies in question involved displays related to certain countries or were held in front of embassies (like the one supporting Navalny, whi…

Sounds entirely reasonable and sane process. You have to allow these foreign embassies to prepare against potential terrorist activities. In some case when known anti-government terrorist forces are identified they have good reason to increase preparedness.

Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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post #9

This is sadly true, completely due to inability of bureaucrats of using their brains and mostly done by the administrative services of Lisbon town hall. It is a major political scandal in Portugal, and does look like the town hall president will not survive without resigning. It is a clear case of "Hanlon's Razor" although a very unfortunate one.

> It is a major political scandal in Portugal, and does look like the town hall president will not survive without resigning

As someone who's lived here all his life: doubtful.

Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was no request (afaik) done by any of the involved parties. By law, if you’re planning a rally/event/etc you have to make a request to your local mayorship, who then approves it (or not) while informing the police about it, so that security details can be planned. Since the rallies in question involved displays related to certain countries or were held in front of embassies (like the one supporting Navalny, whi…

Sounds entirely reasonable and sane process. You have to allow these foreign embassies to prepare against potential terrorist activities. In some case when known anti-government terrorist forces are identified they have good reason to increase preparedness.

Without any context or common sense applied, sure.

Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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Well, Lisbon is not only one, but pretty much all of progressive liberal West been in bed with enemies at some point for "strategic" reasons (which usually means cash, and other treats.)

France deports Russians with protected refugee status upon KGB requests in exchange for Russia staying away from them in Africa

Poland plays double games with Belorussian opposition, promising assisting in smuggling weapons, and then handing them over to Lukasenka in exchange for jailed Polish citizens

Austria happily trades political refugees for basically everything now

Italy has a record as an only country to secretly, extralegally, abduct, jail, and then hand over completely uninvolved family of a political activist not to some evil empire, but to the complete joke regime of Kazakhstan in exchange for god knows what, but assumedly plain wire transfer of cash to the chief of SISMI, for which he was forced to later resign. https://www.unionedirittiumani.it/litalia-riconosce-lo-statu...

Denmark previously deported Syrian political refugees "by mistake" upon direct requests from Damascus, and now wants to deport them officially

Germany's BND was uncomfortably close with Russia since Primakov's first government, was caught doing basically the same as Portugal, in exchange for some dubious "intelligence collaboration," but it looks like they may have found a scapegoat: https://www.dw.com/en/trial-opens-against-german-intelligenc...

UK, US... comments redundant.

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