Obvious incompetence bordering on malevolence aside, isn't that also a violation of GDPR?
Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years
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Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years
#12I read two articles on Politico.EU on the subject. Yet, I have a few questions. First, was there a request made to share data? Second, if there was a request made - what is the legal procedure to share data? Third, if there was no request made - why did the Portugal proactively share data?
By law, if you’re planning a rally/event/etc you have to make a request to your local mayorship, who then approves it (or not) while informing the police about it, so that security details can be planned.
Since the rallies in question involved displays related to certain countries or were held in front of embassies (like the one supporting Navalny, which brought this case to the limelight), the embassies were also informed about who the organisers were.
As some one on the comments already mentioned, it seems to be a case of Hanlon’s Razor albeit a very unfortunate (and disturbing) one
Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years
#13Weird that they would pander to ALL foreign regimes? I understand if Portugal made itself economically dependent on imports from a China for example, and China asked „if Lisbon happed to know any trouble-makers“? But sending it out to anyone who asked, China, Israel, Russia, probably Arab states… Why?
Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years
#14Weird that they would pander to ALL foreign regimes? I understand if Portugal made itself economically dependent on imports from a China for example, and China asked „if Lisbon happed to know any trouble-makers“? But sending it out to anyone who asked, China, Israel, Russia, probably Arab states… Why?
Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years
#15Weird that they would pander to ALL foreign regimes? I understand if Portugal made itself economically dependent on imports from a China for example, and China asked „if Lisbon happed to know any trouble-makers“? But sending it out to anyone who asked, China, Israel, Russia, probably Arab states… Why?
I don't think it was a case of pandering to economically important regimes, it was more like disgusting and malicious incompetence, like most things that come out of the public sector in Lisbon with this government
Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years
#16Obvious incompetence bordering on malevolence aside, isn't that also a violation of GDPR?
(Article in Portuguese: https://sicnoticias.pt/pais/2021-06-11-Camara-de-Lisboa-pode...)
Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years
#17I read two articles on Politico.EU on the subject. Yet, I have a few questions. First, was there a request made to share data? Second, if there was a request made - what is the legal procedure to share data? Third, if there was no request made - why did the Portugal proactively share data?
There was no request (afaik) done by any of the involved parties. By law, if you’re planning a rally/event/etc you have to make a request to your local mayorship, who then approves it (or not) while informing the police about it, so that security details can be planned. Since the rallies in question involved displays related to certain countries or were held in front of embassies (like the one supporting Navalny, whi…
Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years
#18This is sadly true, completely due to inability of bureaucrats of using their brains and mostly done by the administrative services of Lisbon town hall. It is a major political scandal in Portugal, and does look like the town hall president will not survive without resigning. It is a clear case of "Hanlon's Razor" although a very unfortunate one.
As someone who's lived here all his life: doubtful.
Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was no request (afaik) done by any of the involved parties. By law, if you’re planning a rally/event/etc you have to make a request to your local mayorship, who then approves it (or not) while informing the police about it, so that security details can be planned. Since the rallies in question involved displays related to certain countries or were held in front of embassies (like the one supporting Navalny, whi…
Sounds entirely reasonable and sane process. You have to allow these foreign embassies to prepare against potential terrorist activities. In some case when known anti-government terrorist forces are identified they have good reason to increase preparedness.
Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years
#20France deports Russians with protected refugee status upon KGB requests in exchange for Russia staying away from them in Africa
Poland plays double games with Belorussian opposition, promising assisting in smuggling weapons, and then handing them over to Lukasenka in exchange for jailed Polish citizens
Austria happily trades political refugees for basically everything now
Italy has a record as an only country to secretly, extralegally, abduct, jail, and then hand over completely uninvolved family of a political activist not to some evil empire, but to the complete joke regime of Kazakhstan in exchange for god knows what, but assumedly plain wire transfer of cash to the chief of SISMI, for which he was forced to later resign. https://www.unionedirittiumani.it/litalia-riconosce-lo-statu...
Denmark previously deported Syrian political refugees "by mistake" upon direct requests from Damascus, and now wants to deport them officially
Germany's BND was uncomfortably close with Russia since Primakov's first government, was caught doing basically the same as Portugal, in exchange for some dubious "intelligence collaboration," but it looks like they may have found a scapegoat: https://www.dw.com/en/trial-opens-against-german-intelligenc...
UK, US... comments redundant.