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Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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Post by throw737858 »

buildingmateri wrote: post #710
flippinburgers wrote: post #511

Men are not doing as well as women in school. If you look in the wrong places on the internet, media, or daily life, all you see is negativity towards masculinity. In addition, there doesn't appear to be any broad social system that is geared towards supporting men. The fact that men don't tend to be a socially adept doesn't help. This all feels like the perfect storm and there are plenty of people who act like "men…

Especially a problem because for almost all men a career and supporting family (maybe the hardest thing to figure out in life) is non optional, whereas half the female friends I have from college have abandoned careers to saddle up to a breadwinner ... I mean I kind of want that option but men don't really have it. Does anyone ever really discuss this social reality that makes it different for men v women in real wor…

There absolutely is an option to skip career and family. It is 2021, social reality is that women can be breadwinners too. And it will be more and more difficult for women to find a breadwinner.

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Post by naveen99 »

at_a_remove wrote: post #200
mkmk2 wrote: post #167

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As someone who's been exposed to the stats more than most of us (I assume, pre-web dating service), do you have any particular insights? Have you thought about what one could do to address this mismatch since? I was fortunate to find my s.o. on a language exchange site, but if I felt my best options were something from the Match Group... it looks grim

No solutions, I am afraid, that do not involve large-scale genetic engineering. In the parlance of our times, dudes are generally "thirstier." On top of it, you can call it genetics or you can call it culture, but ... men make the approach, typically. (Okay, I am done with generally and typically and trends for now) This leads to guys spamming some entirely-too-fussy gals and the usual dynamics emerging. You've read…

Regarding heightism: the market finds the price. The average woman is 5 inches shorter than the average man. If a woman or even an employer is willing to give up iq points for height, it’s their loss. Markets don’t care for prejudice.

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Post by exporectomy »

cjohnson318 wrote: post #718
buildingmateri wrote: post #710

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Especially a problem because for almost all men a career and supporting family (maybe the hardest thing to figure out in life) is non optional, whereas half the female friends I have from college have abandoned careers to saddle up to a breadwinner ... I mean I kind of want that option but men don't really have it. Does anyone ever really discuss this social reality that makes it different for men v women in real wor…

> Especially a problem because for almost all men a career and supporting family (maybe the hardest thing to figure out in life) is non optional... What do you mean? Of course those are optional. If you don't want a career, you're not going to have one. If you don't want to get married and support a family, then you don't have to. I mean, "saddle up to a breadwinner" is an extremely demeaning thing to say about a who…

Without a career or at least some sort of good job, most men are extremely unattractive as long term partners for women. They can't just find a wife to support them while they look after the kids. So they'll end up without a career and without a family, which can be a very sad existence. For women, families are easier to come by regardless of career status.

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Post by iammisc »

throwaway306744 wrote: post #719
iammisc wrote: post #714

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Well as prospective adoptive father... In some ways... Yes. That was part of our adoption training. To learn that many adoptees want to know their biological mom and dad and suffer greatly if they're not able. An adoptive father can provide all the emotional support in the world and the day to day fathering, but he can't provide the biology, whereas a biological one can provide both the day to day fathering and the b…

Great response, thanks. I didn't know that was part of the training.

Yes it was very strange. As someone who has (biological) children, it certainly gave us some thing to think about.

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Post by throw737858 »

exporectomy wrote: post #733
cjohnson318 wrote: post #718

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> Especially a problem because for almost all men a career and supporting family (maybe the hardest thing to figure out in life) is non optional... What do you mean? Of course those are optional. If you don't want a career, you're not going to have one. If you don't want to get married and support a family, then you don't have to. I mean, "saddle up to a breadwinner" is an extremely demeaning thing to say about a who…

Without a career or at least some sort of good job, most men are extremely unattractive as long term partners for women. They can't just find a wife to support them while they look after the kids. So they'll end up without a career and without a family, which can be a very sad existence. For women, families are easier to come by regardless of career status.

Imagine some people retire in peace at 50. What a sad, sad, pathetic existence :)

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Post by aidenn0 »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #475
belorn wrote: post #269

What are the things that motivates them, and what do they themselves want to do in life? I ask this because much of the undertone in the article and in this thread is about the failure of meeting the gender role expectations that are put on young men. Do they have a job and a car? Have they studied hard so they can get a good job in order to support a wife and kid? Culture in the last several decades have hammered do…

The gender role for men in TV the last 35 years has been to be stupid like Homer Simpson. Studies show it worked?

"The Simpsons" and "Married With Children" were the only two shows my dad wouldn't let me watch at home for basically that exact reason.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

cjohnson318 wrote: post #725
acituan wrote: post #721

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> Men are not doing as well as women in school. Schools are not performing as well for men as they do for women. I'm not just playing with words; it is really important to frame the share of responsibility correctly. It is the school's job to educate the kid, not kid's job to compensate for the dysfunctions of an education system. I'll generalize because I don't have any detailed data; anyone from the front-line educ…

Men run most governments. Men own most companies. Men dominate the higher levels of corporations. Most engineers, doctors, lawyers, investors, and other highly paid professionals are men. Men simply own more capital than women, by a huge margin. It looks like schools are performing better for men than women.

You are looking at metrics with a lag period of 50 years, and also assuming a 50 50 split is the natural state

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Post by mattparcens »

cjohnson318 wrote: post #718
buildingmateri wrote: post #710

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Especially a problem because for almost all men a career and supporting family (maybe the hardest thing to figure out in life) is non optional, whereas half the female friends I have from college have abandoned careers to saddle up to a breadwinner ... I mean I kind of want that option but men don't really have it. Does anyone ever really discuss this social reality that makes it different for men v women in real wor…

> Especially a problem because for almost all men a career and supporting family (maybe the hardest thing to figure out in life) is non optional... What do you mean? Of course those are optional. If you don't want a career, you're not going to have one. If you don't want to get married and support a family, then you don't have to. I mean, "saddle up to a breadwinner" is an extremely demeaning thing to say about a who…

Potentially demeaning nomenclature aside, do men and women have a differential opportunity to [better phrase], and if not, is this fair?

And while it might be nice for the men who dominate all desirable, successful professions, does this help the median man? They're all individuals, after all.

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Post by azemetre »

mjevans wrote: post #645
paulpauper wrote: post #382

I don't think it's a tragedy. The overly dramatic media and pundits get this all wrong in labeling it such. Young people are simply responding to incentives to live at home longer. Living expenses keep going up relative to inflation and wages, such as home prices, rent, insurance, etc. Living at home is a good way save money, even for the employed. Family formation is expensive and fraught with risks such as divorce…

Entirely the rent, and the rent seeking, and the complete lack of housing, sheer greed that drives all the problems. Hidden deeply on another page someone references a site with numbers from 50 years ago, 1971. (#1) I don't really care what the agenda of that site happens to be; but the numbers. Compare the numbers to today: Everyone is FAR worse off today and in my generation. US nationally (today 2021) about 85K is…

You should look into the Powell Memo and how corporations and big business galvanized around the idea of destroying the working class and unions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_F._Powell_Jr.#Powell_Mem...

The timing also coincides with the idea of neoliberal economics starting to take hold. Most famously in NYC when the city almost went bankrupt.

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