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Legislation would unmask third-party sellers, but Amazon is fighting it

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Re: Legislation would unmask third-party sellers, but Amazon is fighting it

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This is currently a big pain in the butt for me.

I sometimes buy specialized tools and equipment from Amazon due to the convenience of Amazon's great catalog and suggestion system, it can be quite useful.

However, sometimes I receive items that are clearly B-stock, returns, mislabeled defective, improperly packaged, etc from these third party sellers who "win the buy box".

The subtle difference between useful and completely useless is really hard to demonstrate to someone who is not familiar with the usage and normal appearance of these products.

When I have a problem with some of these specialized industrial products I often cannot simply return them for service or warranty to the reseller, I am required to return them to the authorized reseller (Amazon is often one of these) for warranty service.

The problem with this is that the manufacturer often only warranties their product when sold from their authorized reseller. Even though Amazon may be an official reseller affiliate, the third party reseller that I purchased it from (again, FBA, but sold by GUYA JICKSV LLC) is not on this list!

In order to get the warranty service I now have to go to the manufacturer, who is wary of theft, counterfeit, returns, and a really surprising number of times I discover that there is a part missing or duplicate parts, and this renders the warranty void.

Dealing with the manufacturers in these situations is really annoying and often fruitless. To them its just one unit and they do industrial sales volume, but to me it is several hundred dollars and days of hassle. This costs me much more money than the cost of replacing the thing.

I am now very wary of buying certain types of products from Amazon, as they often appear to be sold by Amazon, but is actually not sold by Amazon, but only technically sold by amazon because of this buy box behavior.

Its is incredibly opaque, error prone, and nobody cares except me and my customers (with whom I sure do have a relationship, unlike the Amazon seller does with me.) As a result, I have reduced my purchasing from Amazon. Cest la vie.

Re: Legislation would unmask third-party sellers, but Amazon is fighting it

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So you've never heard of competitive addressing, then. Instead of PO BOX 1234, Anytown, ST USA you use Street Address of Post Office, Unit # PO BOX Number, Anytown ST USA. In addition to giving you a "real" street address, it works for any services unable to otherwise deliver to a PO BOX like UPS, Fedex or DHL, because as long as they deliver during business hours, the post office will sign for your package. I use th…

The only reason people on HN have hate for the post office is they are influenced by capitalists who want another industry to “disrupt.” American oligarchs have been declaring war on public services since the New Deal, and over time American workers have sadly been propagandized to buy into it. As a result, the U.S. Post Office is not what it used to be (it used to offer banking services!!!) but it’s still one of the…

I have hate for the post office because I get like 1 legitimate piece of mail a month, yet the post office is constantly stuffing those stupid supermarket flyers in my box with no opt-out.

So I got a PO Box...Aaaannnd of course the P.O. couldn't forward that 1 piece of mail properly :-p

so yeah - I find them useless and actively avoid any items that will be delivered by them (eg 'e-packet' stuff from aliexpress is a no go)

Re: Legislation would unmask third-party sellers, but Amazon is fighting it

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post #15

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The only reason people on HN have hate for the post office is they are influenced by capitalists who want another industry to “disrupt.” American oligarchs have been declaring war on public services since the New Deal, and over time American workers have sadly been propagandized to buy into it. As a result, the U.S. Post Office is not what it used to be (it used to offer banking services!!!) but it’s still one of the…

As someone who loves to complain about the post office, you're way overthinking it. There's no conspiracy. I just hate spam.

Exactly - especially in the age of online billing and e-statements, the stupid super market flyers filling up my box for nothing is annoying as hell.

I got a PO Box, not that my local P.O. seems to be able to actually honor a change of address form. And I actively avoid anything that uses postal delivery. I'm much happier now :-P

Re: Legislation would unmask third-party sellers, but Amazon is fighting it

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In my experience, a "real" address is needed somewhere. PO Boxes are fine for many things, but for process service, etc. the part of your state government that is responsible for business entities will want a real address.

So you've never heard of competitive addressing, then. Instead of PO BOX 1234, Anytown, ST USA you use Street Address of Post Office, Unit # PO BOX Number, Anytown ST USA. In addition to giving you a "real" street address, it works for any services unable to otherwise deliver to a PO BOX like UPS, Fedex or DHL, because as long as they deliver during business hours, the post office will sign for your package. I use th…

Be careful. There are services companies use to detect if they are delivering to a PO Box or not. It basically blacklists any po box- hosting address.

Re: Legislation would unmask third-party sellers, but Amazon is fighting it

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How is that even an issue for the HN-folks? This clearly takes power away from amazon, as for example this helps with growing business relations outside of amazon (you might start buying directly from the seller at some point).

Everyone on this forum is a temporarily embarrassed big tech founder/CEO who hates regulations which let the little guys compete.

What are these "regulations" that help little guys compete?

If anything, regulations hinder little guys from competing.

Whos passing laws? Who is giving money to politicians?

Hint: its not the tutors, community banks and its not the bodegas contributing to pols. Its the universities, monster banks, and supermarket chains.

Re: Legislation would unmask third-party sellers, but Amazon is fighting it

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I don't think the majority of people care about quality. I think most focus mainly on price. See Walmart for an example of this. They force manufacturers of otherwise decent stuff to make lower quality versions of products to sell only at Walmart, just to lower the end price. Considering that Walmart is one of the largest companies in the world, this seems to be a winning tactic.

People are unable to accurately judge quality before they make a purchase, and often well after the purchase the quality is uncertain too. Who knows how long it'll take before you find out that your cheap USB charger was made of shoddy materials and will catch on fire when it fails? But you can know the exact price before the purchase. People are optimizing based on the information they have.

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Re: Legislation would unmask third-party sellers, but Amazon is fighting it

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post #17

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Everyone on this forum is a temporarily embarrassed big tech founder/CEO who hates regulations which let the little guys compete.

What are these "regulations" that help little guys compete? If anything, regulations hinder little guys from competing. Whos passing laws? Who is giving money to politicians? Hint: its not the tutors, community banks and its not the bodegas contributing to pols. Its the universities, monster banks, and supermarket chains.

The little guy wont compete with Amazon, they will however sell and buy stuff at Amazon.

Re: Legislation would unmask third-party sellers, but Amazon is fighting it

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post #56

I recently purchased a set of full ear headphones with boom microphone from Amazon. From a 'five star' reviewed product and vendor. It came with a printed piece of paper in the box from the vendor offering a $15 gift card if I left a five star review for the product and then sent a screenshot to the company. Such shady behavior. The headphones are only average quality.

I had a similar event happen with a product that cost $11.99 and they offered a $10 amazon gift card if I reviewed it. I did like the product and left a review, and they emailed me a gift card a week later. I was quite surprised. How does the business side of that work?

Lose money for the first several months, and then print money after you have thousands of 5 star reviews and a first page Amazon listing.

Re: Legislation would unmask third-party sellers, but Amazon is fighting it

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I am wondering if Amazon is immune to reputational damage though. People have been complaining about counterfeit and defective products from Amazon for about 5 years now, and it doesn't seem to have had significant effect on market share. I've been disentangling my purchasing habits from Amazon, but I don't know too many other people who are.

I don't think the majority of people care about quality. I think most focus mainly on price. See Walmart for an example of this. They force manufacturers of otherwise decent stuff to make lower quality versions of products to sell only at Walmart, just to lower the end price. Considering that Walmart is one of the largest companies in the world, this seems to be a winning tactic.

Amazon doesn't have the best prices though; it's big selling point is, IMO, convenience (this is IMO a bigger factor for Walmart as well; while they heavily advertise a few particularly aggressively priced items, most of Walmart's SKUs are pried middle-of-the-road).

Re: Legislation would unmask third-party sellers, but Amazon is fighting it

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Very FEW product manufacturers track these unauthorized sellers. Amazon should require the store name to MATCH the llc/corp name and they should require a US registered agent to be publicly displayed as well. Source: I actively manage about 30 different vendor/seller accounts as a consultant. Tracking sellers is a fools errand.

That's absolutely false in my experience. I can't speak for who I worked for or our large client list, but there were quite a few fortune 50/100 companies in there, and many many others monitoring MAP and unauthorized sellers. Tooling to track down unauthorized sellers was one of the top features that was requested and used. You'll often see sites like Amazon match the pricing of a smaller unauthorized seller. Amazon…

You are both correct

Parent is right. Small manuf / authorized resellers get shafted and have no resources to do this sort of audit work.

Fortune 500 have tight integrations with partners and proper controls in place to identify where the leaks are and to address them.

Amazon opening up names of sellers will help parricularly small firms that dont have the sophisticated means that large fortune500 firms have to root out unauthorized sellers

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