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Re: New York Senate passes Right to Repair bill

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Post by nrp »

xroche wrote: post #28

If I loosely quote Louis Rossmann, one of the issue of right to repair is that more and more companies (Apple leading the trend) are using slightly modified chips from manufacturers, and them make then sign contracts that prevent any part selling to anyone. So technically even you can replace those chips, you can't buy them. And next Apple if putting serial numbers to prevent that even if you get the part, you will h…

That is largely Apple-specific, as most other OEMs use off the shelf chips. Even in that case though, the distribution doesn’t exist for many components to be available to individuals or repair shops, since the component makers only want to deal with their couple dozen big customers directly.

Re: New York Senate passes Right to Repair bill

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

xroche wrote: post #28

If I loosely quote Louis Rossmann, one of the issue of right to repair is that more and more companies (Apple leading the trend) are using slightly modified chips from manufacturers, and them make then sign contracts that prevent any part selling to anyone. So technically even you can replace those chips, you can't buy them. And next Apple if putting serial numbers to prevent that even if you get the part, you will h…

Amend the bill to include all consumer electronics manufacturers must provide replacement parts for all their new products for twenty years. The churn of slightly different pieces in next years models should fall off a cliff when warehouses need to get built to hold everything.

Or something

Re: New York Senate passes Right to Repair bill

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Post by reflectiv »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #32
xroche wrote: post #28

If I loosely quote Louis Rossmann, one of the issue of right to repair is that more and more companies (Apple leading the trend) are using slightly modified chips from manufacturers, and them make then sign contracts that prevent any part selling to anyone. So technically even you can replace those chips, you can't buy them. And next Apple if putting serial numbers to prevent that even if you get the part, you will h…

Amend the bill to include all consumer electronics manufacturers must provide replacement parts for all their new products for twenty years. The churn of slightly different pieces in next years models should fall off a cliff when warehouses need to get built to hold everything. Or something

20 years is a bit much IMO...5-10 tho, that sounds at least reasonable.

Re: New York Senate passes Right to Repair bill

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Post by augstein »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #32
xroche wrote: post #28

If I loosely quote Louis Rossmann, one of the issue of right to repair is that more and more companies (Apple leading the trend) are using slightly modified chips from manufacturers, and them make then sign contracts that prevent any part selling to anyone. So technically even you can replace those chips, you can't buy them. And next Apple if putting serial numbers to prevent that even if you get the part, you will h…

Amend the bill to include all consumer electronics manufacturers must provide replacement parts for all their new products for twenty years. The churn of slightly different pieces in next years models should fall off a cliff when warehouses need to get built to hold everything. Or something

We should probably first do realistic estimates on how much that would increase prices for those products.

20 years is a long time and I wonder how much use a 20 year old iPhone for example even has.

Re: New York Senate passes Right to Repair bill

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Post by showerst »

sschueller wrote: post #23
ourmandave wrote: post #2

Normally the next step would be a vote on an identical bill in the state’s Assembly. But Thursday is the last day of session for the NY legislature, and the bill has not yet escaped committee, making a vote by the full Assembly unlikely. The battle for fair repair in New York will continue into next year’s session, with a strong record of success. So eventually... maybe.

We aren't even at the half way point of the year and this is already the end of the years session? In a large state like NY? How does anything get done? This isn't some small town in the middle of nowhere.

The majority of US states only meet a few months a year. Many have two year sessions that start in odd-years, so things that don't get completed in 2021 can get picked up again where they left off in 2022.

You'd be surprised both how much they're expected to get done in a few months, and also how little some state legislatures actually pass. State and Federal agencies serve a huge role in the US, partially for this reason.

Re: New York Senate passes Right to Repair bill

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

only_as_i_fall wrote: post #4

If NY really wants to cut e-waste they should require removable batteries in cellphones and laptops. The move to non-removable batteries always seemed like a thinly veild money grab to me.

Non-removable batteries are annoying, but they allow you to make devices which are much more compact, or which have a larger battery at the same size.

The battery in e.g. an iPhone 6S takes some work to replace, but it's still quite easy for a repair shop to do, so that seems like a very reasonable trade-off to me.

Re: New York Senate passes Right to Repair bill

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Post by kgwxd »

driverdan wrote: post #21
kgwxd wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Standardized would be nice too. I have at least 3 laptops that could be put to good use but the batteries are no longer available, 2 of them don't even work with the plug unless there's a battery in there for some god awful reason.

The cells in the packs can be replaced.

Really? Never thought of that, is that a DIY thing or would I need to take it someplace?

Re: New York Senate passes Right to Repair bill

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Post by afiori »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #32
xroche wrote: post #28

If I loosely quote Louis Rossmann, one of the issue of right to repair is that more and more companies (Apple leading the trend) are using slightly modified chips from manufacturers, and them make then sign contracts that prevent any part selling to anyone. So technically even you can replace those chips, you can't buy them. And next Apple if putting serial numbers to prevent that even if you get the part, you will h…

Amend the bill to include all consumer electronics manufacturers must provide replacement parts for all their new products for twenty years. The churn of slightly different pieces in next years models should fall off a cliff when warehouses need to get built to hold everything. Or something

What is needed is much less, a simple requirement not to stop other from providing the part is enough.

In the vast majority of cases it is not apple the one producing the chips so it would not really make sense to buy it from apple.

There is even the more severe case where the manifacturer disappeared and no factory with similar technology exists. How is Apple or whatever company supposed to produce that chip?

The essential of right of repair is "do not make second hand markets and resellers illegal".

Re: New York Senate passes Right to Repair bill

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Post by rib3ye »

nrp wrote: post #31
xroche wrote: post #28

If I loosely quote Louis Rossmann, one of the issue of right to repair is that more and more companies (Apple leading the trend) are using slightly modified chips from manufacturers, and them make then sign contracts that prevent any part selling to anyone. So technically even you can replace those chips, you can't buy them. And next Apple if putting serial numbers to prevent that even if you get the part, you will h…

That is largely Apple-specific, as most other OEMs use off the shelf chips. Even in that case though, the distribution doesn’t exist for many components to be available to individuals or repair shops, since the component makers only want to deal with their couple dozen big customers directly.

On that note, Rossmann is a curious character. He openly and variously despises Apple’s hardware choices and policies, yet to my memory, that’s his shop works on. Are the economics of repairing Apple products that strong or is the man is a true masochist?
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