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Allies Believe U.S. 'No Longer a Good Model of Democracy,' Poll Shows

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Re: Allies Believe U.S. 'No Longer a Good Model of Democracy,' Poll Shows

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You can see from the charts that this poll is really just "how do you feel about the current US president." https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/06/10/americas-image...

Huh? The poll shows that 17% of people think that it is a good model for democracy in recent years, but Biden's confidence among those people is 75%.

"In recent years" means Trump.

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#42
post #20
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That is good, as we are a model of good Federalist Republic. The continued attempts to make the U.S. a national democracy is an ongoing problem, we need and should revert many of the "democratic" elements that have been put into our system, such as repealing the 17th amendment, we should more limit the power and scope of the federal government reversing bad Supreme Court Rulings such as Wickard v filburn which expend…

I have no idea what this means, but I'm also completely illiterate in US political theory. Is your point that republic implies strong federalism and democratic does not?

I think the OP is trying to get at the relationship between the constituent States the make up the United States and the Federal government.

Personally I like the idea of devolving authority away from the Federal side and towards the States but honestly it's a giant rat hole that mixes power politics (something Americans do well enough with) and history (something that Americans do not do so well with).

In any case more centralized or less centralized is the work of decades not years so I would hope no one is holding their breath in any direction.

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#43
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First Past the Post voting system will always lead to 2 party rule... One of the ways to change that is to adopt a Ranked Choice voting system. For some reason Americans seem to be very opposed to this idea.

I'm a fan of ranked choice voting, but I feel the need to add that the de facto 2 party system in the US functions similarly to political bloc majority government formation in European democracies. The difference is the US names the coalitions rather than the individual parties themselves. If you look at either US party you see very different voting trends on platform between different regions, you see sub parties (l…

One important difference is that coalitions are fluent, and party P can choose to join a coalition with party Q or party R, depending on their electoral perspectives and alignment of values, even if Q and R are bitter rivals and never would form a coalition between themselves. Those who voted for P won't mind because P would still mostly stick to its program, for which the voters voted.

Can you imagine a reasonably large group of politicians to move from R to D or vice versa, and not lose the voices of their electorate?

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#44
post #28
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea what this means, but I'm also completely illiterate in US political theory. Is your point that republic implies strong federalism and democratic does not?

> republic implies strong federalism and democratic does not This is, in essence, a substantial portion of what is asserted in The Federalist Papers, an 85-part series of letters and treatises written and distributed in 1788 by three proponents of adoption of the US Constitution.

I see, thanks a lot. As far as I could read in the few minutes, the Federalists were opposed to identity theory, Rousseau's idea of direct democracy without political parties, whereas the Federalists were pluralists, like Kant and Aristoteles. IOW, this is not about the current meaning of democracy (as almost all current democracies are both pluralist and federalist, though of course to varying degrees).

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#45
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? The poll shows that 17% of people think that it is a good model for democracy in recent years, but Biden's confidence among those people is 75%.

"In recent years" means Trump.

Aside from the ~25% of people who don't think the US was ever a good model of democracy: So what? The GP says that it's related to Biden being president now, and it's clearly not.

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#46
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a fan of ranked choice voting, but I feel the need to add that the de facto 2 party system in the US functions similarly to political bloc majority government formation in European democracies. The difference is the US names the coalitions rather than the individual parties themselves. If you look at either US party you see very different voting trends on platform between different regions, you see sub parties (l…

One important difference is that coalitions are fluent, and party P can choose to join a coalition with party Q or party R, depending on their electoral perspectives and alignment of values, even if Q and R are bitter rivals and never would form a coalition between themselves. Those who voted for P won't mind because P would still mostly stick to its program, for which the voters voted. Can you imagine a reasonably l…

Well, that process happens in the voter base, not the groups of elected representatives as it does in Europe. Basically an american "party" has to represent interests (at least with lip service as is often the case) of its constituent groups or lose that portion of the voter base, so majority votes for the two parties changes if the interests of the people themselves change, this happens on a state by state as well as a district by district basis. One thing this system prevents that does happen in European style democracies is no confidence and breaking of those coalitions, which cannot happen between elections in the US like it can in many other countries.

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#47

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I’d say the problem is more in the two party system. If you think about all the opinions one can have about how a country should be run, it’s plain weird to only have two choices.

On the other hand, two party system proved to be stable in long term, while ensuring rotation in government.

In what way is a two party system more stable than a multi-party system?

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#48

I have to agree. The US is a two party system, which is extremely limiting. One party badly wants to become an autocracy while the other wants to erode compromise in favor of becoming a single party super majority. I wish anti-trust actions apply to political parties and break them both apart.

They are private corporations that stifle other choices through various means. Further, those two have nearly complete regulatory capture of . . . you name it. Anti-trust (or RICO) might apply but where would the political will be for that?

Re: Allies Believe U.S. 'No Longer a Good Model of Democracy,' Poll Shows

#49

I have to agree. The US is a two party system, which is extremely limiting. One party badly wants to become an autocracy while the other wants to erode compromise in favor of becoming a single party super majority. I wish anti-trust actions apply to political parties and break them both apart.

compromise has largely absent for 10-20 years now, both parties are in the trend - but it was definitely started by Republicans going back to the 90s under Gingrich, the Tea Party in the 2010s, and most recently Trumpism

the incentives of the system reward trying to gain control of the system by demonstrating how the party in power failed - then compromise and give the party in power points

Re: Allies Believe U.S. 'No Longer a Good Model of Democracy,' Poll Shows

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d say the problem is more in the two party system. If you think about all the opinions one can have about how a country should be run, it’s plain weird to only have two choices.

On the other hand, two party system proved to be stable in long term, while ensuring rotation in government.

you're gonna need a reference for that statement champ, cause that frankly doesn't pass the smell test.
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