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Allies Believe U.S. 'No Longer a Good Model of Democracy,' Poll Shows

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Re: Allies Believe U.S. 'No Longer a Good Model of Democracy,' Poll Shows

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I have to agree. The US is a two party system, which is extremely limiting. One party badly wants to become an autocracy while the other wants to erode compromise in favor of becoming a single party super majority.

I wish anti-trust actions apply to political parties and break them both apart.

Re: Allies Believe U.S. 'No Longer a Good Model of Democracy,' Poll Shows

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Careful, even fox news is right sometimes. I'm a brit, we're not doing much better than the US. But no one really takes the US seriously as a democracy. Partly for the reason you yourself give: propoganda and fake news. Partly because the US system is just such a mess (the senate has so much power and seems designed to be antidemocratic for a start). Trump and Jan 6th are just the icing on the cake.

>>> (the senate has so much power and seems designed to be antidemocratic for a start). That is because it is.... and that is a GOOD thing The Senate is designed to be the State's (i.e the state governments) representative in the federal government, We are a union of 50 independent states, people seem to forget that. it is the United *States* of America, The House of Representatives is the People i.e the citizens cha…

I think we're mostly in agreement: the senate is NOT a democratic institution. Whether it should be or not is another matter.

Fyi, I'd say the senate is more like a house of Lords. Before it was required to be elected it was routinely bought by the richest interests in a state. It represented the interests of the Uber rich. Again, not a judgment just an observation...

Re: Allies Believe U.S. 'No Longer a Good Model of Democracy,' Poll Shows

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post #10
post #4

That is good, as we are a model of good Federalist Republic. The continued attempts to make the U.S. a national democracy is an ongoing problem, we need and should revert many of the "democratic" elements that have been put into our system, such as repealing the 17th amendment, we should more limit the power and scope of the federal government reversing bad Supreme Court Rulings such as Wickard v filburn which expend…

You're completely missing the point here and the federalist republic argument has always been a terrible one to defend this complete deafness when people criticize the US' democracy. It's like a dictatorship saying they're simply a one party system.

No I am not, your simply reading that one line and making assumptions about my position ignoring everything else I stated

Re: Allies Believe U.S. 'No Longer a Good Model of Democracy,' Poll Shows

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Careful, even fox news is right sometimes. I'm a brit, we're not doing much better than the US. But no one really takes the US seriously as a democracy. Partly for the reason you yourself give: propoganda and fake news. Partly because the US system is just such a mess (the senate has so much power and seems designed to be antidemocratic for a start). Trump and Jan 6th are just the icing on the cake.

>>> (the senate has so much power and seems designed to be antidemocratic for a start). That is because it is.... and that is a GOOD thing The Senate is designed to be the State's (i.e the state governments) representative in the federal government, We are a union of 50 independent states, people seem to forget that. it is the United *States* of America, The House of Representatives is the People i.e the citizens cha…

Agreed. And state legislators appointing senators would make them a lot more visible and make state elections more important.

Re: Allies Believe U.S. 'No Longer a Good Model of Democracy,' Poll Shows

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post #2

Newsweek, a heavily biased media website whose corporation was bought by a millionaire stereo mogul for just exactly $1.00 as a birthday gift for his wife, a former Democratic congresswoman, so she can use it as a yellow journalistic web rag. #caring

Careful, even fox news is right sometimes. I'm a brit, we're not doing much better than the US. But no one really takes the US seriously as a democracy. Partly for the reason you yourself give: propoganda and fake news. Partly because the US system is just such a mess (the senate has so much power and seems designed to be antidemocratic for a start). Trump and Jan 6th are just the icing on the cake.

You admitted to being European, but I'll respond anyway:

> propaganda and fake news

Fox, NTD and Sky Australia are fairly accurate. Ignore the rest.

> the senate has so much power and seems designed to be antidemocratic

Yes, by design. The Senate is supposed to review new laws and get consensus.

> Trump and Jan 6th

Trump is the best US President in 75 years. Pelosi failed to provide sufficient Capitol security, resulting in 1 person shot by police (and 4 dying of natural causes.)

I hope that summary helped.

Re: Allies Believe U.S. 'No Longer a Good Model of Democracy,' Poll Shows

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post #13
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're completely missing the point here and the federalist republic argument has always been a terrible one to defend this complete deafness when people criticize the US' democracy. It's like a dictatorship saying they're simply a one party system.

No I am not, your simply reading that one line and making assumptions about my position ignoring everything else I stated

This is hilarious. You literally only read the word democracy and started with the "federalist republic" nonsense without reading any further, which is exactly why you completely missed the point with your post.

Re: Allies Believe U.S. 'No Longer a Good Model of Democracy,' Poll Shows

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I have to agree. The US is a two party system, which is extremely limiting. One party badly wants to become an autocracy while the other wants to erode compromise in favor of becoming a single party super majority. I wish anti-trust actions apply to political parties and break them both apart.

First Past the Post voting system will always lead to 2 party rule...

One of the ways to change that is to adopt a Ranked Choice voting system. For some reason Americans seem to be very opposed to this idea.

Re: Allies Believe U.S. 'No Longer a Good Model of Democracy,' Poll Shows

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post #4

That is good, as we are a model of good Federalist Republic. The continued attempts to make the U.S. a national democracy is an ongoing problem, we need and should revert many of the "democratic" elements that have been put into our system, such as repealing the 17th amendment, we should more limit the power and scope of the federal government reversing bad Supreme Court Rulings such as Wickard v filburn which expend…

I have no idea what this means, but I'm also completely illiterate in US political theory. Is your point that republic implies strong federalism and democratic does not?
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