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Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

kaba0 wrote: post #371
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #353

I've honestly grown to hate my iPhone. It hit me during a particularly stressful work period about a year ago that this device doesn't bring any happiness to my life and only brings anxiety, stress and saps my energy like a parasite. Once that stressful period was over the feeling didn't go away though and now I can't even get rid of it because all my friends use apps to communicate rather than SMS so it's either I a…

May I ask you what are you doing on your iPhone that you consider unhealthy?

Twitter and Instagram are both awful for mental health as are notifications.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by tlholaday »

deanclatworthy wrote: post #18

I love this, but do we really think that Apple also isn't using engagement with your phone as an internal success metric? If people use apps less often, they are probably using less apps. If people use less apps, Apple's revenue drops. Unlike Apple's attack on privacy which makes them a differentiator in the marketplace, only at the expense of others, I don't see what's in it for Apple to do this?

> If people use apps less often, they are probably using less apps.

They’re probably using more apps from more authors, each app being built to do one thing well.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by skocznymroczny »

Crazyontap wrote: post #49

Even though this article is sarcastic(?) I can't help but get genuinely angry at these trillion dollar companies thinking they know what is better for us and trying to control and police everything. This is even worse than govt censoring porn and cuss-words back in the day thinking they know what is moral for the society. I was just talking to a friend the other day on how badly Apple and Google are trying their best…

You're looking at the past through rose tinted glasses. I remember those times also. I remember when there was no internet, so your only source of information were these thick technical manuals, which often you had to pay a lot for. Developing software was also gated by expensive commercial compilers. Nowadays you get access to the wealth of documentation online and compilers for all major languages are available for free.

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Post by nonfamous »

andai wrote: post #265
latch wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The food delivery apps are worst for this My bank, which is otherwise great, does this. Critically important push notifications and a pretty steady stream of meaningless advertisement.

What kind of important notifications does your bank send? I don't think I've gotten a single notification from my bank about anything. They do still send paper mail though.

Withdrawals using my card. It’s reassuring to see that notification seconds after I use an ATM, knowing that if my card is ever stolen/hacked and used I’ll know about it.

Same for bank transactions over a size I specify.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by antonyh »

bengale wrote: post #282
antonyh wrote: post #200

Batched notifications: I'd love this. As it currently stands, most of my apps have lost permission to notify because they abuse it. I don't want to be constantly prodded and poked to interact, so there's very few that get it enabled now. That even includes email, and it's so much better. It's reduced screen time massively, and I mostly check email on desktop instead now with my phone as a secondary on-the-go way of c…

The majority of my apps are set to deliver quietly on iOS so they just go into my notification drawer without an alert.

I killed them completely because they choke the drawer too. I don't know if I've set some option somewhere but they seem to linger forever, swiping them away doesn't stop them reappearing later. I'd rather have none than all my unreads keep notifying (I'm on iOS 14)

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Post by listic »

alickz wrote: post #300
eloisius wrote: post #254

If I could ask Apple for one thing it would be to require approval of every push notification that an app developer wants to deliver. That an app gets either cart blanche to send me notifications or nothing at all drives me crazy. I don't want to miss a notification that my delivery food arrived, but I don't want to be bombarded with daily advertising messages from foodpanda trying to get me to change my behavior. Re…

>I don't want to miss a notification that my delivery food arrived, but I don't want to be bombarded with daily advertising messages from foodpanda trying to get me to change my behavior. This is exactly what the Android notification channels allow you to do, and it actually works really well. For UberEats I have the Delivery notification channel enabled, but the Marketing channel disabled. It's really the best of bo…

Looks like a nice feature to have Android 8.0+ for [1]. Just learned about that because my older /e/ [2] phone is based on 7.1.2.

[1] https://developer.android.com/training/notify-user/channels

[2] https://e.foundation/

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by acituan »

spython wrote: post #149

The article wants Apple to save us from mindless browsing, but I see mindless browsing as unavoidable. Not because of some technical or legal thing, but because mindless browsing is a good thing. We need it. Mindless browsing is like a walk through the woods, just looking for what is happening, navigating a huge amount of information that is hardly important at the moment – oh, the cherry tree is blooming – but could…

> Mindless browsing is like a walk through the woods, just looking for what is happening, navigating a huge amount of information that is hardly important at the moment – oh, the cherry tree is blooming – but could be important later.

Your instinct points to the right direction; mild distraction is actually conducive to insight generation. But we have co-evolved with outside and can have a very intuitive grasp on the hierarchy of information; to dynamically tell apart what is noise what is signal in any moment. In contrast, apps are engineered by an army of experts to hijack those intuitions as a side-channel attack on our attentional heuristics. Browsing becomes mindless because we are oversaturated in our attentional system through the every trick available to keep us engaged and click on ads. E.g. red notification buttons vs. ripe fruit.

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Post by fartcannon »

simonh wrote: post #127
tpm wrote: post #123

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The problem is the kid will be given the iPhone and not the breadboard.

For a communications device they will take into school, that they rely on for school work, communicating with parents and teachers, and with each other on social media and contains a lot of private information, that is probably the right choice. An open system with zero security and no guard rails is simply not appropriate for that use.

How about an open system WITH security and guard rails that can be enabled/disabled by, I dunno, the user who paid for it?

It's not either/or. Parents can be the guardians of their children's phone, enabling all the security Apple pretends to enable with a password.

The power of Apples marketing is astonishing.

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Post by bezhermoso »

Tagbert wrote: post #408
alickz wrote: post #300

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>I don't want to miss a notification that my delivery food arrived, but I don't want to be bombarded with daily advertising messages from foodpanda trying to get me to change my behavior. This is exactly what the Android notification channels allow you to do, and it actually works really well. For UberEats I have the Delivery notification channel enabled, but the Marketing channel disabled. It's really the best of bo…

Apple has made changes in the upcoming iOS 15 where apps have to categorize their notifications into categories like “marketing” and functional categories. Users can then use the more granular controls to block notification categories either for all apps or app by app. This can also be mapped into the new Focus modes where users can setup different modes such a “work”, “sleep”, “driving”, etc. Different apps can be a…

> Apple has made changes in the upcoming iOS 15 where apps have to categorize their notifications into categories like “marketing” and functional categories.

I don't think that's true. They will introduce 4 different priority levels a notification can have. It's still vastly different from Android's notification channels.

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