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Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Very interesting! But I would rather just get infected. To each their own, I’m sure we can agree!

Natural infection won't provide as long lasting of immunity compared to the mRNA vaccines. And if the vaccine is going to inflame your heart, I seriously doubt it's going to be anything but far worse from the natural infection.

How do you know this? mRNA vaccines are literally so new we don't know what will be in 2 years from now. They were never used in humans.

In comparison SARS survivors from 2003 still have immunity (I believe the same is with MERS).

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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The human heart has a lot of ACE2 receptors, which is what Covid binds to. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239191/ I wonder if you can get myocarditits both from exposure and the vaccine. Covid is in your heart tissue, triggering an immune response. When you get the vaccine, your immune system is going to ramp up even further to deal with this Covid in your heart. This would only affect people who had p…

>which is what Covid binds to. You mean the SARS-2 spike protein binds to the ACE receptors. mRNA vaccines create the spike protein so it's going to work in exactly the same way as natural infection. Recent research from Japan is showing that the spike protein from vaccination is not staying at the injection site it can get into the blood stream (and causes blood clots as are widely reported), crossing the blood brai…

I got covid last year, and this year got vaccinated, and if I repeated the scenario 1 million times I'd take the vaccine over the infection 1 million times.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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But this is only reported cases. Most people wouldn't report even if they had symptoms. Others could be impacted without currently having symptoms. Now prop this data of actual medical conditions created as a result of getting the covid vaccine up against the likelihood of getting covid in the first place, and the likelihood of having lifelong side effects as a result of getting covid. Risk of getting an experimental…

Not sure why teh parent post got downvoted - we have plenty of examples right here in the various sub threads of people telling us exactly that. Almost none of all those who wrote a comment with their own anecdote seem to have reported it, many only realizing that there even is anything worth reporting after reading this discussion right here. For most people it is perfectly normal not to report anything unless it's…

> For most people it is perfectly normal not to report anything unless it's bad enough that they have to see a doctor.

This is exactly what's making me restless. Young men are the least likely group to see a doctor unless it's really bad. Thus the official statistics may be severely underreporting the real situation.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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>which is what Covid binds to. You mean the SARS-2 spike protein binds to the ACE receptors. mRNA vaccines create the spike protein so it's going to work in exactly the same way as natural infection. Recent research from Japan is showing that the spike protein from vaccination is not staying at the injection site it can get into the blood stream (and causes blood clots as are widely reported), crossing the blood brai…

>As a healthy 30 year old I would prefer to take my risk with covid than take these vaccines. As an exhausted 34 year old who spent the last year field-monitoring vaccine trials, I would love to see the sources that informed your position.

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Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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What is the right way to collect this data, given that the frontline practitioners are actively discouraging any patients from making a connection for adverse reactions with the vaccine? Put another way: Isn’t VAERS a necessary solution to ensure that the healthcare system does not misrepresent the safety of the vaccines? Transparency should be a first principle requirement for science.

The answer is a Phase IV clinical trial, which a number of vaccines have undergone post-approval and I suspect the COVID-19 vaccines will as well.

Does the fact that the major vaccine vendors are encouraging placebo recipients to be notified about their receipt of a placebo, plus encouragement that they go get the vaccine affect your confidence in the trial process for this vaccine?

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/9691430...

“According to Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, interim analyses after approximately 2 months of follow-up suggest their vaccines are 90% to 95% effective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection, although no peer review of the data has been conducted to date. Both companies now claim they have an “ethical obligation” to offer vaccine as soon as possible to all participants who received placebo, considering the strong results and participants’ contribution to the research.“

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Dr. Bret Weinstein, Dr. Robert Malone (invented mRNA tech) and Steve Kirsch had a most fascinating discussion on youtube that touches on this, but touches on much bigger direct and indirect issues as well. I'd urge people to watch: https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY?t=591

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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There is a relatively high rate (fully acknowledged) of high fever from the MRNA vaccines, particularly after the second dose. Compared to standard vaccines of the past, the rate of fever and illness is dramatically higher. But COVID is so dangerous and contagious that the benefit is higher than the cost. I say this as somebody (if you look at some of my previous comments) who lost my Mother-in-law due to a rare side…

It’s alarming that I keep hearing about people who have lost people from a vaccine. It’s now at a higher rate than the virus itself. I’m awaiting Pfizer but I’m quite concerned. Which vaccine did she take?

I want to emphasize that these events are rare, although probably not as rare as you we think, and that I recommend to people to get vaccinated.

That being said, I don't know a single person personally (I live in Colorado, with lots of family and friends in Virginia,NC, and DC) that has died or been hospitalized for COVID, and I happen to know 2 people who suffered cardiac arrest from the Pfizer vaccine, with one (my MIL) dead. The other person is a prominent technologist and former Googler, and he suffered several heart attacks in the hospital after his cardiac arrest. Both were in the midst of a post 2nd shot fever a few hours later when the incidents happened.

It should be noted that my experience is anecdotal, and if I lived in NYC, I would certainly know several people hospitalized/dead of COVID. COVID is a very scary virus in the sense that it can cause us to let our guard down. Why? Because of viral load. If you are exposed to a single person with it, your illness will probably not be severe, but if you and dozens of others get on a subway car, sick with covid, a person getting that fat viral load is far more in danger.

My primary issue with the way my MIL and my friend were handled with their vaccine induced cardiac arrests was the way the doctors initially (for roughly a week with both, in separate hospital in separate states) gaslit the families and wouldn't even discuss the vaccine being AT ALL RELATED. It was blatantly obvious to us that they were following PR playbooks either forced on them from their employers and/or medical licensing boards. The utter and obvious lack of any form of curiosity was the biggest tell.

We can't talk about what happened on social media, at all. It gets deleted and flagged as "misinformation" and "encouraging vaccine hesitancy". The private censorship regime is clumsy, and run/moderated by people who don't seem to understand nuance or respect the intelligence of the public. The result of this?

My wife's sister and her husband, who until the incident were NPR listening liberals who were excessive in their obedience to public health authorities, are now listening to fucking Alex Jones. They weren't able to vent their anger and grief or get any information from the normal spaces, and have lost ALL trust of public health authorities. It's horrible to watch, and I"m doing my best to try to keep them grounded as they grieve. They were all in the room when the cardiac arrest happened, and it was very traumatic for them. The denials and gaslighting of the medical staff compounded the issue. (At one point, a doctor insisted my MIL had choked. When told they weren't eating, he insisted that she must have snuck off to get food and sat back down while chewing. Imagine what it was like to hear that idiocy for them)

For those of you clamoring for censhorship, ask yourself if my in-laws now becoming Alex Jones listeners was a positive effect of this regime we encouraged to form after Trump's election?

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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We’ve known this for a month or so. The bottom line is that experts still recommend getting the vaccine.

meanwhile the many experts who don't recommend it are widely and very vocally shunned as 'science deniers'. Andddd downvoted. Cant even point out that there are actual experts on both sides of the argument without people being upset about it.

I certainly don't agree with "denier" type labeling. But I would be as wary of someone who councils people not to get vaccinated as I am of people who pretend unequivocally that there is no risk to it.

Personally, I feel like there has been an escalation where some have been so adamant that it is perfectly safe, that others jump on ultra-rare side-effects as evidence that it's not.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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> How long do spike proteins (SARS-CoV-2 or vaccine created) hang out if they make it to the heart? As far as I understand it, the vaccine doesn't work like this. It tells your immune system "hey this is what a SARS-CoV-2 spike protein looks like, attack it if you see it". So the vaccine wouldn't cause the heart damage, the vaccine does (intentionally) ramp up your immune system to learn about this new threat, which…

There are two variants of the vaccine: One is mRNA (?) variant that gets into your cells and makes them produce just the spike protein. This lets your immune system find this protein out and make antibodies. The other contains instead a partially destroyed viruses which trains the immune system directly on all their parts - the shell, the spikes, etc. I don't remember which company makes which kind but both are in pr…

The mRNA vaccines don't produce the entire spike protein, just a portion of it in order to target the antibodies towards that specific portion of the spike.
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