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Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by nicoburns »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #18
digitaltrees wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had this after COVID in April last year right at the beginning. I suspect it is an immune reaction to the virus not the vaccine itself.

But the Pfizer vaccine doesn't contain any of the virus, unless it's just the immune reaction to the spike protein that causes the problem?

> unless it's just the immune reaction to the spike protein that causes the problem?

If the problem is inflammation then that seems entirely plausible... I thought that an immune response was exactly what inflammation is

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Post by psychlops »

nicoburns wrote: post #117
psychlops wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had this as a side effect of covid last year. You are correct, no medication was given and they won't actually do a biopsy of your heart due to the risk so the will simply wait and see. It feels like a big deal. I had never had heart issues and it felt like my whole system was unstable. Hard to describe really. I don't know how serious it is, however. The cardiologists just tested my heart, saw that there was no bl…

Good to hear this experience. I also had this as a side effect of a covid infection last year (having never previously had any heart issues). I've just had my first Phizer dose, and this article had me questioning the wisdom of getting the second dose. But I feel like an hour won't do me much harm. It lasted for months with the actual infection.

I call the heart part the bonus round. And same, it took me several months to get better.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by nicoburns »

jerf wrote: post #34
numpad0 wrote: post #24

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Maybe having immune system working hard somehow naturally puts strain on cardiovascular systems?

A theory (far from proved, but certainly also nothing I'd consider "disproved") is that the spike protein itself may be dangerous, in which case injecting something into yourself that causes your body to deliberately produce it may not be an unmitigated good. I don't think we have the data either way to be sure the spike protein is completely harmless, though obviously how dangerous it is is bounded by the fact that…

Presumably the effect is also bounded by the fact that it can't reproduce.

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Post by krrrh »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #18
digitaltrees wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had this after COVID in April last year right at the beginning. I suspect it is an immune reaction to the virus not the vaccine itself.

But the Pfizer vaccine doesn't contain any of the virus, unless it's just the immune reaction to the spike protein that causes the problem?

The vaccine produces spike protein and some research suggests that the spike protein itself is the source of vascular system damage. There was a contention that the vaccine spike protein is designed to stay on the surface of infected cells and not freely circulate into the bloodstream in large quantities but we also just don’t know for certain. It could even have to do with how the vaccine is administered and whether it largely affects the lymph system or a large quantity makes its way into the bloodstream.

https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spik...

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by lame-robot-hoax »

newsclues wrote: post #87
VoiceOfWisdom wrote: post #79

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Its in testing right now.

I’m listening to the livestream on Bret Weinstein’s channel and they are discussing data that states the opposite including data that shows a concentration in the ovaries.

I’d be interested to see a source. I know of rat models that show a very small accumulation in ovaries, but these rats were afaik given doses in the range of 300x-1000x that of a human. And the accumulation in the ovaries or other regions was still incredibly small, despite the dosage given.

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Post by seattle_spring »

codyb wrote: post #88
notjes wrote: post #80

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Covid-19 is meticulously measured and tracked in every human being, but no one is interested in adverse vaccine effects. Things that make you think...

No one's interested in adverse vaccine side effects? That seems rather counter to my impression which is based on the number of adults who're hesitant and the fact that FDA halted use of Johnson and Johnson vaccines once already and Europe has had it's own fair share of hand wringing about the Astro-Zeneca vaccine.

Agreed with your observation. Every news source has been brimming with stories on potential adverse reactions as they are discovered, including ones that I'm sure GP would dismiss as "MSM" or "the radical left." The reality is that all current evidence suggests the virus is still far worse than any vaccine side effects.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by post_break »

peanut_worm wrote: post #78

Did anyone else get really bad side effects? I felt awful after my first shot and now I an currently recovering from my second shot and feel even worse. I don’t think I have ever felt this bad from an illness.

Had both covid and 2 shots. Covid was the most pain I've ever felt in my entire life. I thought I was going to die. And I'm "young". The shots were like the kiddie ride version of it. Still felt bad but man, I wish I could have had that over covid.

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Post by bitwize »

mrfusion wrote: post #70
Kognito wrote: post #25

Very interesting given one of the lesser known complications of covid can be myocarditis in otherwise healthy individuals with few or no other covid symptoms. In fact, it’s likely the incidence of covid-induced myocarditis is vastly underreported given it often shows no symptoms and can only reasonably be diagnosed with a cardiac MRI which is not always widely available or advised for less-serious heart conditions. I…

COVID induced myocarditis has been thoroughly disproven: https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-strai...

The child of a friend of my girlfriend developed COVID myocarditis. He'll have heart problems for the rest of his life now.

He's a child.

This is why nothing less than total lockdown will do, even for a disease with a 99.97% survival rate -- at what cost comes survival?

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Post by majormajor »

Giorgi wrote: post #68

Damn it, I already have heart problems and still in queue for mRNA thinking it was safer than AstraZeneca clots risk. Guess not. Crap.

The article mentions some hospitalizations but not any deaths, so it still definitely seems safer.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by gulli1010 »

mrfusion wrote: post #70
Kognito wrote: post #25

Very interesting given one of the lesser known complications of covid can be myocarditis in otherwise healthy individuals with few or no other covid symptoms. In fact, it’s likely the incidence of covid-induced myocarditis is vastly underreported given it often shows no symptoms and can only reasonably be diagnosed with a cardiac MRI which is not always widely available or advised for less-serious heart conditions. I…

COVID induced myocarditis has been thoroughly disproven: https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-strai...

COVID is still an unfolding disaster. I doubt that anybody really understands completely what it does.
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