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Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by heroHACK17 »

toomanyducks wrote: post #163
spython wrote: post #149

The article wants Apple to save us from mindless browsing, but I see mindless browsing as unavoidable. Not because of some technical or legal thing, but because mindless browsing is a good thing. We need it. Mindless browsing is like a walk through the woods, just looking for what is happening, navigating a huge amount of information that is hardly important at the moment – oh, the cherry tree is blooming – but could…

It's well past midnight, I've been interacting with apps designed to maximize 'user engagement' since 8 PM. I don't have coherent thoughts, I'm opening irrelevant tabs habitually. This is not healthy. I have a problem. That problem is mindless browsing, and it feels engineered. Not saying you're wrong, just that your ideas don't work for me.

This was exactly me last night. After four hours I realized I'd had a headache the whole time (from four straight hours of screen-time), and yet, my lizard brain snatched the reigns right back before I could make a decision to put it down or continue scrolling.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by villasv »

alickz wrote: post #300
eloisius wrote: post #254

If I could ask Apple for one thing it would be to require approval of every push notification that an app developer wants to deliver. That an app gets either cart blanche to send me notifications or nothing at all drives me crazy. I don't want to miss a notification that my delivery food arrived, but I don't want to be bombarded with daily advertising messages from foodpanda trying to get me to change my behavior. Re…

>I don't want to miss a notification that my delivery food arrived, but I don't want to be bombarded with daily advertising messages from foodpanda trying to get me to change my behavior. This is exactly what the Android notification channels allow you to do, and it actually works really well. For UberEats I have the Delivery notification channel enabled, but the Marketing channel disabled. It's really the best of bo…

> I'm surprised Apple hasn't followed suit; NIH syndrome maybe?

Because this is something apps should have been doing themselves. But I guess Android will prove (or has proven, at least to me) that it's necessary to enforce this.

After all, nothing is stopping apps from providing a single channel, right? It all comes down to providing developers with a basic framework, making it easier to do the right thing.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by ntauthority »

riversflow wrote: post #437
ntauthority wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Update disabling is still there - gated behind more expensive editions and enterprise policy settings, because Microsoft likely had gotten a bad reputation in the past for systems with updates disabled becoming botnet nodes due to vulnerabilities. In a way, the restrictions which used to be exclusive to Home are now part of Pro, the more expensive Pro for Workstations is what Pro used to be and Enterprise (also avail…

Question, how does an individual go about acquiring an Enterprise license? For the exact reasons you mentioned (features, per-user licensing) I’ve tried in the past to get setup with a license and not had any luck.

These days there's a self-service panel on the Microsoft 365 sign-up/admin page once you've set up a tenant. I've not been asked for any formal business registration numbers via that process, but the old days of needing to acquire these licenses via a partner seem to be somewhat gone.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by nucleardog »

asauce wrote: post #112
Crazyontap wrote: post #49

Even though this article is sarcastic(?) I can't help but get genuinely angry at these trillion dollar companies thinking they know what is better for us and trying to control and police everything. This is even worse than govt censoring porn and cuss-words back in the day thinking they know what is moral for the society. I was just talking to a friend the other day on how badly Apple and Google are trying their best…

This comment fails to see the real reason that Apple, Google, and Microsoft lock down their hardware and software, ease of use. A vast, vast majority of the population could care less about learning about interrupts, tinkering with BIOS settings, etc. They want a device that is easy to use, and as simple as possible. So companies therefore abstract away 90% of the "creativity-inducing" components because a computer i…

> They want a device that is easy to use, and as simple as possible.

I'd add "reliable" or maybe more accurately "repeatable".

When my mother runs into technical problems, she will literally get frustrated to the point of tears. She doesn't give a single fuck whether she can change the OS or install unapproved software to tinker, she just wants the stuff that was working yesterday to still be working today.

When she wakes up and an OS update has broken some app she uses, she's never gone "Let me dig into why this happened, maybe I can fix it." and she never will. That's simply just something that has gone wrong in her life and ruined her day and now she needs to find a new way to do the thing that she wants to do.

But you're wasting your breath. A very vocal segment of HN are effectively fundamentalists about this. The fact that there exists a market segment best served by devices which do not conform to their fundamental ideals because they have different priorities is simply unacceptable regardless of any other consideration.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by 00deadbeef »

eloisius wrote: post #254

If I could ask Apple for one thing it would be to require approval of every push notification that an app developer wants to deliver. That an app gets either cart blanche to send me notifications or nothing at all drives me crazy. I don't want to miss a notification that my delivery food arrived, but I don't want to be bombarded with daily advertising messages from foodpanda trying to get me to change my behavior. Re…

This kind of thing is already against the App Store Review Guidelines:

> Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages. Abuse of these services may result in revocation of your privileges.

Apple has now introduced a way for developers to report other apps that break the guideiness. Rest assured I will be making reports every time an app sends me advertisement notifications that I did not opt in to.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by potatolicious »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #382
alistairSH wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well said. 100% agreement. Last year, I found myself in an unusually unhappy place. Partly COVID lockdowns, partly changes at work, partly politics (US resident). My wife noticed and told me to get off Facebook/Twitter/etc - they were making me visibly agitated. As I weaned myself off those platforms, my happiness and stress levels improved. I'm glad to be (mostly) off the platforms. It's been a massive improvement.…

> Facebook was the biggest culprit. I unfriended anybody I didn't know in meatspace. I stopped using it because I was getting cross-ways with people I otherwise highly respected, over political comments which invited open disagreement. I didn't want to be at odds with these people, but Facebook has designed the service to facilitate this, and has engineered the degradation of personal relationships because of it. Tha…

Couldn't agree more - I still have FB but honestly time on it just makes me more agitated than happy, and I should really just get off of it completely.

FB's problem is fundamental in the way that you described but I'd add a few points to it:

Not only does FB artificially try to revive relationships that have run their course (and also gives all of these past relationships permanent access to your thoughts), IMO FB fundamentally misunderstands "connection" - that or they understand it fine but are utterly cynical about it.

In what way is mindlessly thumbing through a high school classmate's wedding photos "connecting" people? People who you haven't spoken to in a decade or more? The primary uses of FB seem to be passively perusing the musings of people you don't care much about, which despite what FB PR insists, isn't making me care much more about them.

The FB news feed is one of the least social things I can think of! It is consumed passively, nearly always by yourself, and doesn't actually create any interaction between myself and others besides simple "likes".

I keep waiting for the arrival of social networks that actually meet their own lofty claims - software that actually facilitates the development of meaningful relationships.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by cuddlybacon »

alickz wrote: post #300
eloisius wrote: post #254

If I could ask Apple for one thing it would be to require approval of every push notification that an app developer wants to deliver. That an app gets either cart blanche to send me notifications or nothing at all drives me crazy. I don't want to miss a notification that my delivery food arrived, but I don't want to be bombarded with daily advertising messages from foodpanda trying to get me to change my behavior. Re…

>I don't want to miss a notification that my delivery food arrived, but I don't want to be bombarded with daily advertising messages from foodpanda trying to get me to change my behavior. This is exactly what the Android notification channels allow you to do, and it actually works really well. For UberEats I have the Delivery notification channel enabled, but the Marketing channel disabled. It's really the best of bo…

That sounds neat. Does the developer chose which message goes into which category?

I don't recall getting marketing notifications from Uber Eats. What infuriates me are the follow up notifications (paraphrased):

"How was $RESTAURANT_NAME? Please rate and tip!"

"How was $PERSON_NAME's delivery? Please rate and tip!"

"$PERSON_NAME says thanks for the tip!"

I imagine Uber Eats would categorize them under Delivery so you can't opt out of these without opting out of the notifications that are actually useful.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by drdd »

That time will come, where you will have a fully AI-integrated phone that can be your secondary optional brain for everything you want to do on your life, not limiting a person but expanding their horizon. After all its only natural to fill those emotions.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

potatolicious wrote: post #446
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook was the biggest culprit. I unfriended anybody I didn't know in meatspace. I stopped using it because I was getting cross-ways with people I otherwise highly respected, over political comments which invited open disagreement. I didn't want to be at odds with these people, but Facebook has designed the service to facilitate this, and has engineered the degradation of personal relationships because of it. Tha…

Couldn't agree more - I still have FB but honestly time on it just makes me more agitated than happy, and I should really just get off of it completely. FB's problem is fundamental in the way that you described but I'd add a few points to it: Not only does FB artificially try to revive relationships that have run their course (and also gives all of these past relationships permanent access to your thoughts), IMO FB f…

> In what way is mindlessly thumbing through a high school classmate's wedding photos "connecting" people? People who you haven't spoken to in a decade or more?

I'll do you one better. I deleted my account back in 2016, in the run-up to Trump's election (cause I just didn't want to hear it). Just before I did, there was a whole rash of connection requests from my high school classmates. Facebook blasted out that one person had re-connected with me, and a dozen others suddenly thought that would be a good idea too. I graduated THIRTY years ago, and hadn't spoken to ANY of the others since. Most of the requests were coming from people I wouldn't even have called friends AT THE TIME. That's just not normal, but on Facebook it is!

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by Ensorceled »

jacurtis wrote: post #340
Ensorceled wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't remember an Apple push notification that wasn't transactional or an update notification (which is also transcational I guess). Do you have an example?

They push Apple Music promos from time to time. They also send notifications via the Apple Store app about new product releases. To be fair, they don't ABUSE it to the extent that it happens frequently. But they are still promotional messages I didn't want. I'd say they send 6-8 per year. The Apple "Tips" app sends TONS of messages too. Granted that can be fixed by deleting the app. But people like my Mom still gets…

> They push Apple Music promos from time to time.

Ah, I have Apple Music, that would explain why I don't see these.

Yeah, that ain't right.

> That is the biggest problem. We get so many notifications that many of us simply forget them.

And it's a game of whac-a-mole to turn them all off. And keep them off.

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