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Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by babypuncher »

robotdongs wrote: post #697
ttt0 wrote: post #434

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It was just an old meme and it was in my native language so you wouldn't get, but the offensive part of it is simply 'bitch'. Not as a direct insult, but kinda like in "surprise, bitch". Another thing is that I got suspended for butting in to a conversation about homosexuality where someone was saying that homosexuality is natural, and I said something to the extent of "rape and murder is natural too" to point out th…

First off, a 30 day vacation from Facebook sounds wonderful, it'd be a great excuse to leave it all together. Second, not that this was your intent, but that's such a poor example to use in pointing out the fallacy that I can see why someone might see it as "hateful", which is against the TOS, whether or not it should be is a separate discussion. As a side-note, pointing out a logical fallacy doesn't invalidate someo…

Merely pointing out a logical fallacy is not itself a fallacy. It can be used to discredit a bad argument.

It becomes a fallacy when you say Opinion X is wrong because its proponents used fallacious Argument Y.

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by babypuncher »

zackees wrote: post #366
babypuncher wrote: post #144

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The problem is that the Republicans trying to declare tech companies "common carriers" pretty much lied through their teeth 4 years ago when they argued that ISPs are absolutely not common carriers, in opposition of overwhelming popular opinion to the contrary.

ISPs aren’t censoring people, Big Tech is, and BigTech were always exempt from all net neutrality laws. So your comment is factually wrong.

Am I "censoring people" if I ask a customer to leave my restaurant and never return while he is in the middle of a loud racist rant?

Facebook and Twitter are not critical infrastructure. Nobody has to use them. They are private platforms their owners invited you to. I choose not to use these services, and anyone else who doesn't like them is free to do the same.

People do not have the choice to avoid using telephone or mail services, which is why they are regulated as common carriers. It is nearly impossible to function in modern society without access to mail and telephone service. The argument for net neutrality rests on the idea that general internet access is also a requirement in order to be a functional member of society.

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by nybble41 »

josefx wrote: post #576
Manuel_D wrote: post #490

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Yes, you have to use the municipal electricity. You cannot lay your own power lines, it's illegal. And in most urban areas, you can't run your own generator for emissions restrictions. You also can't power your home with a bicycle. Even champion bicyclists output 50-100 watts. Using Bing, DuckDuckGo, or other Google alternatives are incomparably easier than not using utilities like electricity and plumbing. I struggl…

You could just create battery trailer to power your house and drive to the next Tesla charging station with it whenever it runs low. No need for power lines or any power generation in your backyard. Maybe someone should propose that trailer idea to Elon? Tesla already produces everything necessary to take yourself of the grid, it only needs to be bundled up right.

No need for a trailer, since a typical EV already has more capacity than most home battery solutions. Example: A 2021 Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD stores 82 kWh[0], while a PowerWall 2 only stores 13.5 kWh[1]. So a single Model 3 is the equivalent of up to 6 PowerWalls. All it's missing is official support for vehicle-to-grid connections.

[0] https://electrek.co/2020/11/10/tesla-model-3-82-kwh-battery-...

[1] https://www.smartsolarenergyco.com/tesla-powerwall-review/

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by hopesthoughts »

SilverRed wrote: post #379
kixiQu wrote: post #204

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That's not video hosting that's monopolyish, then, that's English-speaking-audience video discovery , which is a quite different proposition.

Discovery and hosting are the exact same thing right now. People don't open up their RSS reader to find new videos, they go directly to youtube. If you aren't on youtube then you won't be seen.

Except me, if I open up my RSS reader, I'm usually looking for something new. I turn Youtube videos into audio podcasts using a service, and put them in a podcast client that's separate from my RSS reader.

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by count »

ganzuul wrote: post #695
count wrote: post #680

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Should you be forced to put my stuff in your house? These are private companies, where does that force end?

I don't like arguing with hyperboles like that. Please suggest something reasonable, which I even could agree to.

Why is that hyperbole? Is a store not a private place?

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by theiafan »

ttt0 wrote: post #434
NationalPark wrote: post #394

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What was it specifically that got you banned?

It was just an old meme and it was in my native language so you wouldn't get, but the offensive part of it is simply 'bitch'. Not as a direct insult, but kinda like in "surprise, bitch". Another thing is that I got suspended for butting in to a conversation about homosexuality where someone was saying that homosexuality is natural, and I said something to the extent of "rape and murder is natural too" to point out th…

Way to bury the lede. You got banned for posting an offensive slurish meme in the middle of a conversation that you self-admittedly interjected into in order to compare two people of the same gender loving each other to murder.

Yes, you're such a victim, a key part of the usual formula.

Slow clap for the mods. Let this guy parrot his low-key right wing shit on this website, but the second someone calls out the usual bullshit for what it is, it gets flagged.

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by shkkmo »

onethought wrote: post #718
shkkmo wrote: post #691

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> knowing you used 5 units of power in 1 month (where someone has to walk onto your property and read a number, as is the case in most dumb metered scenarios) is less of a privacy concern than knowing you used .3 of unit of power in the last 15 minutes (without needing to walk onto your property). Personally, I think so for most people. But that depends on how much privacy your property provides from pedestrians and…

no, it’s always worth pointing out irrational reasoning though. There are clear benefits to real-time monitoring of power. So far I’ve only heard made up, theoretical, what if, privacy concerns.

> no, it’s always worth pointing out irrational reasoning though.

You haven't done that though. You've made accusations of irrationality without ever once backing them up.

> So far I’ve only heard made up, theoretical, what if, privacy concerns.

I think engineers have am ethical duty to consider "theoretical" privacy concerns when they are working on new technology.

Given the history of data mining and brokerage in the US, I would be willing to make significant bets that, (in the absence of a new law being passed to prohibit it,) consumer power usage patterns from smart meters will be sold to data brokers. Pretending this isn't going to happen belies either your knowledge of the existing markets for data or your own rationality.

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by anticensor »

ngngngng wrote: post #385
BooneJS wrote: post #188

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It’s actually illegal to drill a well in a municipality that provides water service. You’d have to move to a rural area.

Even if you do move to alternatives to public utilities, many areas will not allow you to disconnect from them and have a required minimum bill. For example, If I got many solar panels and backup batteries to power my house, I would still be required to pay $5 a month to the local electric company and would not be allowed to disconnect from them.

> If I got many solar panels and backup batteries to power my house, I would still be required to pay $5 a month to the local electric company and would not be allowed to disconnect from them.

That may be true for water and gas, but is usually false for electricity.

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by anticensor »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #530
easrng wrote: post #288

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RE: YouTube alternatives there's also PeerTube which also can use p2p delivery. Can confirm that Android works great without Google Play Services, I don't have it. Most Play Store apps break but most of my apps are from F-Droid anyway.

PeerTube is not a serious alternative to YouTube. Almost all of the most popular content is missing and there are no reasonable alternatives. It claims to have over 400,000 videos on the site; YouTube gets 700,000 _hours_ of video uploaded each day. Android without Google Play, unless you live in mainland China, does not "work great" the way most people want. I've done it and it was basically like not having a smartp…

> (yes, I know OsmAnd exists; it has next to no information about businesses or landmarks and takes several minutes to plot a route that Google Maps or Waze calculates in less than 5 sedonds)

OsmAnd, unlike Google Maps free tier, will always draw you an actually optimised route (though without considering traffic congestion).

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by ganzuul »

count wrote: post #735
ganzuul wrote: post #695

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I don't like arguing with hyperboles like that. Please suggest something reasonable, which I even could agree to.

Why is that hyperbole? Is a store not a private place?

> Should you be forced to put my stuff in your house?

This is a hyperbole because a private home is completely different from what we are discussing.

This should be obvious.

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