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Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by andymatuschak »

These are very interesting ideas. But I’d like to see to see credit given where it’s due. Many of the specific interface concepts here (retrospectively monitoring whether time was well spent, disabling infinite feeds, a regret tax, batching notification delivery, switching an infinite feed to a paged one which reflects activity) were presented several years ago by Joe Edelman and Tristan Harris. See eg https://medium.com/thrive-global/how-technology-hijacks-peop... and https://medium.com/what-to-build/is-anything-worth-maximizin...

Ideas like these are public goods, so it’s difficult to profit off inventing them. Given that, we should incentivize their creation with social rewards by crediting their authors.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by seanhunter »

Some of these suggestions seem great, this "time well spent" popup would be infuriating in use. As is, I hate the way apps, websites and others bombard me with constant requests for reviews, feedback, ratings etc.

When I use my coffee grinder it doesn't ask how I liked my grind (thumbs up/thumbs down/Marks out of 5/rating from "Absolutely satisfied" to "terminal ennui"). I press the button and it grings coffee exactly how I ask it to every time. I want other things to be the same. Just do the thing and stop wasting my time being so needy just because you want to feel good about your analytics.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by strogonoff »

josiahpeters wrote: post #344

This is somewhat off topic. I have read through other people's comments about good and bad experiences with push notifications on Apple and Android. People use them as Todo lists and for a number of things. For something so critical, why has Apple or Google not created a push notification log on your device? Some of us live by our notifications and the fact that I accidentally swiped an important notification away or…

One of the effects of a truly feature-complete notification center would be that messenger/social media user may lose any incentive to open that app.

Which I personally would be fine with; but which goes somewhat counter to the currently-mainstream model of “free” ad-supported social media and messaging platforms.

This ties into my long-standing argument that we should normalize paid social. We should be allowed to pay a fee just for the pipe. A paid platform would be incentivized to provide its users with all the flexibility, APIs and integrations, including third-party GUIs such as OS’s built-in notification center.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by graeme »

smoldesu wrote: post #378
alickz wrote: post #300

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>I don't want to miss a notification that my delivery food arrived, but I don't want to be bombarded with daily advertising messages from foodpanda trying to get me to change my behavior. This is exactly what the Android notification channels allow you to do, and it actually works really well. For UberEats I have the Delivery notification channel enabled, but the Marketing channel disabled. It's really the best of bo…

Absolutely this. Android's notification channels are a lifesaver for apps like Snapchat, Instagram, or any of the other social media apps that only serve to suck you in. It makes it super easy to disable all notifications except for DM alerts (which is what I typically do for most apps). It's crazy how many apps actually support it, and it's even crazier that Apple hasn't followed suit yet. Even with iOS 15, Apple's…

Not a replacement, but for anyone who doesn’t know about it: you can configure Instagram notification types even in the iOS app. Surprisingly good system.

Would be great if iOS copied Android and had systemwide channels.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

welfvh wrote: post #386
sodality2 wrote: post #329

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Reminds me of the song, "Welcome to the Internet": "Could I interest you in everything All of the time A bit of everything All of the time Apathy's a tragedy And boredom is a crime Anything and everything All of the time"

Excerpt from a poetry slam I did 2 years ago: What are we paying, when we're paying attention? We pay with what we could've done and what we could've learned. We pay with the people we could've met, and the conversations we could have had. We pay with every future us, that we could've been, We pay with the values we did not live by, We pay with the goals we did not reach, We pay with every opportunity to become more…

I regret that I have but one upvote to give to this comment.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by eropple »

anchpop wrote: post #322
kamilner wrote: post #319

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In UberEats (and many other apps) you can configure which push notifications you get. Is that functionally different than channels for the purposes of turning off marketing notifications? Both seem to rely on the App developer allowing you to turn off the notifications you don't want. The problem I have are the apps which don't allow that, which presumably also wouldn't allow to separate them into channels for the sa…

A difference is that there's a unified UI for disabling channels, and app developers don't have to do anything except annotate each notification with the channel it belongs to and list the channels somewhere in their manifest (IIRC). If you get a notification you don't like, you long long-press it and a menu appears showing you the different notification channels and prompting you to enable or disable them.

I haven't used Android in a while. What stops a developer from not categorizing notifications and effectively saying "oh they're all General notifications, ha ha ha, you can't get the thing you want without all the slop"?

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by cheph »

eloisius wrote: post #254

If I could ask Apple for one thing it would be to require approval of every push notification that an app developer wants to deliver. That an app gets either cart blanche to send me notifications or nothing at all drives me crazy. I don't want to miss a notification that my delivery food arrived, but I don't want to be bombarded with daily advertising messages from foodpanda trying to get me to change my behavior. Re…

> If I could ask Apple for one thing it would be to require approval of every push notification that an app developer wants to deliver.

Personally I would ask them to stop glad-handing with china and using their slave labour. But that is just me.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by eyelidlessness »

dlivingston wrote: post #52
eyelidlessness wrote: post #23

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Look it’s a pandemic. I don’t know if people are still having Tinder parties but they might be having Tinder Zooms?

It’s not a pandemic in the US anymore with the vaccine surplus that we have. Many people still feel that we’re in one, though. In the words of John Lennon: “war is over (if you want it)”

It was a joke bud

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by alistairSH »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #367
05 wrote: post #347

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EU caps card interchange fees (.3% credit .2% debit), so the baseline is lower. US has comparably huge card rewards, those have to come from somewhere, so with 1.5-3% interchange fees the incentive to implement 2FA to cut, say, 0.2% off commission is just not there..

Why would Visa/MC/Discover/AmEx or the banks issuing credit card accounts have to lower commissions? They can implement 2FA to reduce their fraud costs, but they can pocket the difference unless they feel competitive pressure. But if there exists enough savings from 2FA by preventing fraud such that they can offer more rewards to credit card users, then it would be a competitive advantage.

The US doesn't even do chip+PIN, just chip. I have to assume the US is fine with a higher baseline level of fraud than the EU. I don't know how the economics make that work.

And online, the validation/authorization isn't any better - as long as somebody has the card number and my zip code, they can do as they please (until/unless some banking anti-fraud algo picks it up).

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by tristor »

eloisius wrote: post #254

If I could ask Apple for one thing it would be to require approval of every push notification that an app developer wants to deliver. That an app gets either cart blanche to send me notifications or nothing at all drives me crazy. I don't want to miss a notification that my delivery food arrived, but I don't want to be bombarded with daily advertising messages from foodpanda trying to get me to change my behavior. Re…

Agreed with this entirely. The worst offender to me is Booking.com which will pop notifications and badges (I'm a compulsive badge clearer) on my device for marketing stuff, when I really only want notifications for messages in app around reservations. It also has added insult to injury during this pandemic season as Booking has continued to run promos and pop them when there's no reasonable way I could travel.
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