Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

iOS 15 Humane

potential.app

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

361–370 of 496 posts

Re: iOS 15 Humane

#361

Post by Applejinx »

threatofrain wrote: post #239
toomanyducks wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's well past midnight, I've been interacting with apps designed to maximize 'user engagement' since 8 PM. I don't have coherent thoughts, I'm opening irrelevant tabs habitually. This is not healthy. I have a problem. That problem is mindless browsing, and it feels engineered. Not saying you're wrong, just that your ideas don't work for me.

FB may try to maximize whatever appeal they have, but does persuasive design really stack up against persuasive friends? What is the fundamental ammo behind FB's ability to manipulate FOMO? Isn't it friendship and social delight?

No, it is not. It is panic and fear of something harmful just out of sight. That drives WAY more engagement than 'friendship'.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

#362

Post by patrickserrano »

josiahpeters wrote: post #344

This is somewhat off topic. I have read through other people's comments about good and bad experiences with push notifications on Apple and Android. People use them as Todo lists and for a number of things. For something so critical, why has Apple or Google not created a push notification log on your device? Some of us live by our notifications and the fact that I accidentally swiped an important notification away or…

I'm surprised this isn't more of a thing. From what I understand this is coming to Android 11 though https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/03/20/android-11-tweaks-h...

Re: iOS 15 Humane

#363

Post by kaba0 »

toomanyducks wrote: post #163
spython wrote: post #149

The article wants Apple to save us from mindless browsing, but I see mindless browsing as unavoidable. Not because of some technical or legal thing, but because mindless browsing is a good thing. We need it. Mindless browsing is like a walk through the woods, just looking for what is happening, navigating a huge amount of information that is hardly important at the moment – oh, the cherry tree is blooming – but could…

It's well past midnight, I've been interacting with apps designed to maximize 'user engagement' since 8 PM. I don't have coherent thoughts, I'm opening irrelevant tabs habitually. This is not healthy. I have a problem. That problem is mindless browsing, and it feels engineered. Not saying you're wrong, just that your ideas don't work for me.

Unfortunately, I’m also prone to this. I don’t even notice when I click skip on the time limit setting.

But unfortunately it is a human problem (exploited by apps, but still a human one), and anything done by another app is just treating the symptoms without treating the underlying issue.

I recommend the book titled Atomic Habits. For short term “solution” you may try rearranging app icons like reddit, fb to some obscure position to make it just a bit harder to find them (do not totally hide them since you will just revert it), and I read that turning on grayscale also deceases the “joy” we get from addictive apps. But I found the last one way too limiting on usability.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

#364

Post by om2 »

fartcannon wrote: post #87
BluSyn wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are fundamental engineering trade-offs here. The amount of effort required to secure a device AND make it accessible to "tinkerers" would be an effort worthy of an MIT research lab. It's not trivial, and a huge security risk to satisfy 0.01% of the user base. Especially when such users will likely just buy an open source device anyways. Seems like a huge waste of effort to me.

Do you think Apple engineers don't have access under the hood? Simply provide that access to those who request it, everyone else can keep it locked. Problem solved.

This program exists to get that level of access: https://developer.apple.com/programs/security-research-devic...

Re: iOS 15 Humane

#365

Post by samstave »

squiggleblaz wrote: post #216
plater wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, because it's based on a PC. A quite standard and open specification where you can buy motherboards, CPU, RAM, disk, IO peripherals etc from many different manufacturers and build and install what software you want. However, on a Mac, you cannot install or change the hardware as you like, you cannot install what software you want. If Linus Torvalds was a teen today and there was no open PC standard, only a Mac, t…

> If Linus Torvalds was a teen today and there was no open PC standard, only a Mac, then it would not have been possible to create Linux the way it is today. Torvalds didn't create Linux as a teen in his bedroom hacking on what he had. He created it at university studying operating systems. He would have created it on Raspberry Pi or some other platform. Linux is widely deployed on x86 because x86 is available and op…

Linux War Story:

Back in ~1997/8 I was working at a software manufacturing company - we burned and printed and shipped all the Solaris Software for SUN....

We would receive EDI data from sun to burn to CDs then do the fullfillment shipping - so If you went to SUN.com and ordered Solaris, it was made and shipped by us...

We needed a better way to receive the files from SUN, and so we had a few FTP servers... We hired a group of dudes who knew linux and had them setup our FTP machines, chrooting users and various security measures...

So I, the IT manager, sat down with one of the consultants that we had hired and I told him "You know, If I were you - I would setup a Linux Support company and offer Linux support as a service"

A few weeks later Dave Sifry came back to me and said "Guess what we started, LinuxCare... to offer Linux support as a service"

He was later valued at ~$100 million and LinuxCare was a ~$1 Billion company...

Chris DiBona of google fame was on the team, and I can't recall the two other guys' names...

But yeah - that was when support for Linux was basically non-existent...

Oh yeah - I forgot; SUN wanted us to learn this new thing that they were using to create the EDI files... XML. So we had to accomodate XML when the only people that knew XML at the time were SUN employees...

And finally, I think that SUN had the best logo ever made. And the shittiest firewall, Checkpoint sucked. (sorry Checkpoint team - your lead developers on Checkpoint were friends of mine... but I hated that firewall)

Re: iOS 15 Humane

#366

Post by treszkai »

alickz wrote: post #300
eloisius wrote: post #254

If I could ask Apple for one thing it would be to require approval of every push notification that an app developer wants to deliver. That an app gets either cart blanche to send me notifications or nothing at all drives me crazy. I don't want to miss a notification that my delivery food arrived, but I don't want to be bombarded with daily advertising messages from foodpanda trying to get me to change my behavior. Re…

>I don't want to miss a notification that my delivery food arrived, but I don't want to be bombarded with daily advertising messages from foodpanda trying to get me to change my behavior. This is exactly what the Android notification channels allow you to do, and it actually works really well. For UberEats I have the Delivery notification channel enabled, but the Marketing channel disabled. It's really the best of bo…

> And even more surprisingly it seems most apps support this, instead of putting all notifications under one channel.

Maybe because developers want to do the Right Thing, and they can implement these notification groups with no effort and without the marketing department noticing it?

Re: iOS 15 Humane

#367

Post by lotsofpulp »

05 wrote: post #347
alistairSH wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sigh. I wish the US would encourage this. It would make me feel so much more confident about fraud prevention.

EU caps card interchange fees (.3% credit .2% debit), so the baseline is lower. US has comparably huge card rewards, those have to come from somewhere, so with 1.5-3% interchange fees the incentive to implement 2FA to cut, say, 0.2% off commission is just not there..

Why would Visa/MC/Discover/AmEx or the banks issuing credit card accounts have to lower commissions? They can implement 2FA to reduce their fraud costs, but they can pocket the difference unless they feel competitive pressure. But if there exists enough savings from 2FA by preventing fraud such that they can offer more rewards to credit card users, then it would be a competitive advantage.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

#368

Post by fouric »

camillomiller wrote: post #68
Crazyontap wrote: post #49

Even though this article is sarcastic(?) I can't help but get genuinely angry at these trillion dollar companies thinking they know what is better for us and trying to control and police everything. This is even worse than govt censoring porn and cuss-words back in the day thinking they know what is moral for the society. I was just talking to a friend the other day on how badly Apple and Google are trying their best…

Another peak self-absorbed Hacker News comment, in which we learn that curiosity only means tinkering with devices, learning how they work to the bits, plus some random Linux thrown in. This comment is ignoring that a device that does all that without you having to worry about how it works is a tool way more powerful than one in which you need to at least know how to build everything from scratch with an enormous lea…

I count five logical fallacies here:

> Another peak self-absorbed Hacker News comment

Unnecessarily inflamatory - perhaps an ad-hominem attack, or appeal to emotion.

> in which we learn that curiosity only means tinkering with devices

Strawman argument - this is a blatant misrepresentation of GP's point.

> This comment is ignoring that a device that does all that without you having to worry about how it works is a tool way more powerful than one in which you need to at least know how to build everything from scratch with an enormous learning curve

False dichotomy (there's no reason you can't have an opinionated device that works flawlessly OOTB while also being extremely hackable) and another strawman (OP never advocated for you having to do everything yourself, only have the ability to tinker).

> So please, enough with this narrative, it’s really outdated and based on such a limited world view.

Another appeal to emotion.

I encourage you to take a class on logical argument, because this ain't it.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

#370

Post by fartcannon »

om2 wrote: post #364
fartcannon wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think Apple engineers don't have access under the hood? Simply provide that access to those who request it, everyone else can keep it locked. Problem solved.

This program exists to get that level of access: https://developer.apple.com/programs/security-research-devic...

"The initial application period ended August 24. Applicants will receive an update this fall."

This is not at all what we are looking for.

Post reply on HN