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30kloc and $0 revenue. Lessons from my failed startup (& code release)

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Re: 30kloc and $0 revenue. Lessons from my failed startup (& code release)

#31
Dang great story. I've been working on a few projects here and there. The first one was too big a project and I called it quits after 2 months because 1) I did it for learning purposes and 2) it was too big to complete and launch in regards to other competitors. But 3 years is a long time to spend on a project. There are definitely lessons to be learned here and as long as you don't lose hope, you will eventually find something that works. Your mention of testing if people would actually buy your service/product w/o writing the code behind it is a great idea, much like what I read in the 4 Hour Work Week. Definitely something entrepreneurs should apply if possible in order to reduce the amount of time potentially spent on doomed projects or projects that need to pivot.

Re: 30kloc and $0 revenue. Lessons from my failed startup (& code release)

#32
There's a more fundamental flaw, something that you wouldn't have uncovered by interviews....

1. For the money to get someone to review your paper, you can get someone to write it for you. http://www.bestwritingservice.com/ has essays for ten dollars a page. If you're willing to pay someone 20 bucks to review your essay, you're willing to pay 50 to write it.

2. Most universities have writing centers where people will review your papers for free. These places are oddly underused. The people who would go don't need them, and the people who don't know don't realize they do.

Re: 30kloc and $0 revenue. Lessons from my failed startup (& code release)

#34
From the article:

>Please take the code (30k lines, PHP/Flex), design & docs and make a go of the business.

Could the OP please give a more formal license statement, even if it's just on this page?

Also, as others have said/hinted the execution looks (after a brief glance) to be pretty hot. The design is certainly crisp and clean and the screencaps look well laid out. Pivoting seems a good option.

Re: 30kloc and $0 revenue. Lessons from my failed startup (& code release)

#35
post #21

Someone called Humourisok posted this, but it is dead for some reason. I thought it was a good idea, so repost: ---- Humourisok 20 minutes ago | link [dead] from the tech point of view you have an open platform to share and annotate scanned docs. Sort of "web 2.0 Sharepoint". The niche that I see for such a service is legal. Lawyers can receive, annotate and remark on clients drafts for proposals, contracts etc. So i…

Maybe he deleted it because he decided to run with it...

dead isn't deleted.

Re: 30kloc and $0 revenue. Lessons from my failed startup (& code release)

#36
post #21

Someone called Humourisok posted this, but it is dead for some reason. I thought it was a good idea, so repost: ---- Humourisok 20 minutes ago | link [dead] from the tech point of view you have an open platform to share and annotate scanned docs. Sort of "web 2.0 Sharepoint". The niche that I see for such a service is legal. Lawyers can receive, annotate and remark on clients drafts for proposals, contracts etc. So i…

That would be HN's version of hellbanning.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2619641 (and http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2620156 particularly) discusses it.

well phrased description from that article:

"A hellbanned user is invisible to all other users, but crucially, not himself. From their perspective, they are participating normally in the community but nobody ever responds to them. They can no longer disrupt the community because they are effectively a ghost. It's a clever way of enforcing the "don't feed the troll" rule in the community. When nothing they post ever gets a response, a hellbanned user is likely to get bored or frustrated and leave."

If you visit this user's page at http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=Humourisok you can see that their first 3 comments had negative karma, after which the hellban was applied. I think it is automatically triggered if you reach a certain negative cumulative karma.

Re: 30kloc and $0 revenue. Lessons from my failed startup (& code release)

#37

From the article: > Please take the code (30k lines, PHP/Flex), design & docs and make a go of the business. Could the OP please give a more formal license statement, even if it's just on this page? Also, as others have said/hinted the execution looks (after a brief glance) to be pretty hot. The design is certainly crisp and clean and the screencaps look well laid out. Pivoting seems a good option.

Sure - in the repo I've specified the MIT license for the code, and CC license for the docs etc. That said, I'm very happy to give you whatever license you'd like - just let me know.

Re: 30kloc and $0 revenue. Lessons from my failed startup (& code release)

#38
The market wasn't there but I disagree that that means he should have started with little or no product.

I forget who said it, but the best advice I've heard from a V.C. is that one of the biggest mistakes they see is founders going overboard trying to avoid making the mistakes their last startup made.

That said, I had an experience at a startup that did what the author now considers "the right way." We went out and sold before we had a product built. We figured out the pitch that the customers wanted to hear and had all of our best leads ready to go. But then it took more like a 12 to 18 months to build the thing, not the 3 to 6 we were promising. Unless you've built something exactly like the current product before, there are always technical problems you don't anticipate, and they always get solved the same way: add more engineering time.

Your earliest/best sales leads are a precious resource. Do not look like a dumbass in front of them. The second batch is not as easy to find as the first or they would have been in the first batch.

Re: 30kloc and $0 revenue. Lessons from my failed startup (& code release)

#39
Uh so you wrote that bad code isn't a factor ..

imagine if it had taken you 2 weeks to write the code instead of 6 months and you spent the rest of the 2 years on customer discovery instead, imagine if you were able to make significant feature changes to your product in a few days based on what you found out about what your customers wanted .. do you think you would have been more successful?

The fact that you used lines of code as a metric for how much work you put in, and the fact that you think 30k is a lot of code .. and you used php/flex .. I don't want to rain on your parade but there are MUCH MUCH better coders out there, who can do stuff much much faster. I don't necessarily recommend the following languages overall but you might want to check out ruby or python and see what is possible in just a few days.

Re: 30kloc and $0 revenue. Lessons from my failed startup (& code release)

#40
Personally I think the main problem was lack of commitment in customer discovery and how much were you paying the PHD students? Why weren't they motivated enough to help you advertise? In the US, most graduate students assist professors in teaching classes, so they would have direct contact with the people who would want your services the most.

What was your motivation for your startup? Did you just want to make a buck, or did you really care about helping students do better in their exams? Do you think the decisions you made would have been different if you had different motivations?

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