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Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by bennyp101 »

wolverine876 wrote: post #57
hypertele-Xii wrote: post #39

Such a complicated solution. Here's a much simpler one: Stop using Facebook. Problem solved.

In a conversation with someone the other day, I said I tried to participate in my community without using Facebook and it was difficult. They laughed.

I 'solved' this by creating a new account, under a different name (yes, I know it's 'against the rules') that is purely a member of the local groups. It has no friends, no timeline posts, just for staying up to date with community events.

I have no real reason to check it, as there is not really anything posted, but I can hop on once or twice a week to see what is coming up.

Unfortunately, that's the best way I've found to know what goes on in the village vs not actually wanting to participate in Facebook

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by chongli »

tshaddox wrote: post #103
vladvasiliu wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not overly familiar with the low-level details of iPhones and Android phones, but it's not clear to me why it would be such a big effort to allow one to install whatever OS they like on an iPhone. Maybe display a big, scary "unofficial OS, you're on your own, don't bother us if your iPhone becomes unusable". Maybe have one jump through some hoops, like getting an "approval" code by signing some mile-long EULA on…

I think the point there isn’t a technical challenge, but rather a business challenge. Namely, Apple probably actually cares about how satisfied their customers are. They probably could easily make their iPhones support following instructions from some forum about how to install Fortnite hacks, but some of those hacks are going to cause problems for their customers, either accidentally (bugs) or maliciously (spyware,…

Apple probably actually cares about their customers’ satisfaction more than they care about assigning moral culpability.

This is it right here. Power-users will blame the user for having their device compromised. Users, on the other hand, will blame Apple. Apple will do anything they can to avoid negative PR like that.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by mft_ »

tpm wrote: post #123
khazhoux wrote: post #93

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You literally have both, and more. Right now, I have a nearly uncrackable walled-garden iphone on my desk. And a mac laptop running XCode (learning about Metal programming), and at the same time running an Amiga emulator (tinkering with 68k assembly), and a windows gaming laptop next to it, and a breadboard on the floor with a pile of resistors and capacitors and transistors. So what's the problem again?

The problem is the kid will be given the iPhone and not the breadboard.

And most kids given an Amiga or a 286 wouldn’t hack or code it - they’d just load up games.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by mosselman »

tpm wrote: post #123
khazhoux wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You literally have both, and more. Right now, I have a nearly uncrackable walled-garden iphone on my desk. And a mac laptop running XCode (learning about Metal programming), and at the same time running an Amiga emulator (tinkering with 68k assembly), and a windows gaming laptop next to it, and a breadboard on the floor with a pile of resistors and capacitors and transistors. So what's the problem again?

The problem is the kid will be given the iPhone and not the breadboard.

Where are the parents? Who is giving kids phone instead of something else? Also, why should kids tinker with computers if they can explore art by painting or music by learning an instrument or literature by reading?

What makes it important for them to use Unix rather than something that works fine the way it is while maintaining some standard of UX?

If kids show an interest in computers, they can just install unix on some computer like a raspberry pi and tinker on that.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by camillomiller »

creata wrote: post #84
camillomiller wrote: post #68

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Another peak self-absorbed Hacker News comment, in which we learn that curiosity only means tinkering with devices, learning how they work to the bits, plus some random Linux thrown in. This comment is ignoring that a device that does all that without you having to worry about how it works is a tool way more powerful than one in which you need to at least know how to build everything from scratch with an enormous lea…

This has to be the least charitable reading of Crazyontap's comment. Couldn't you have just inserted the implied: > I was just talking to a friend the other day on how badly Apple and Google are trying their best to kill curiosity and creativity [with regard to the computer they're using]. Also: > So please, enough with this narrative, it’s really outdated and based on such a limited world view. You'll have to explai…

Creative professionals gained immensely through Apple's approach. If I'm a music producer, a film maker, a writer, a graphic designer, and so on, I gain immensely from a computer that just works 99% of the time. I don't need or want to spend time on thinking what's the best set of drivers I should install, or worrying about all the dependencies of this new open source program with no hint of UX-design I've just installed. And yet, anything that isn't exactly that is often dismissed as lower class by people who have learned that over years and years, and don't seem to understand that there's an entire world of good people who just want to apply their curiosity at a different level. That is, in my opinion, a limited world view. In my experience, it also does not happen both ways. People that can't do that (but maybe can master film coloring post-processing -- I invite you to give a stab at that, if you dare) have enormous respect of the low level tinkerers. The opposite is very often not through.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by simonh »

creata wrote: post #84
camillomiller wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another peak self-absorbed Hacker News comment, in which we learn that curiosity only means tinkering with devices, learning how they work to the bits, plus some random Linux thrown in. This comment is ignoring that a device that does all that without you having to worry about how it works is a tool way more powerful than one in which you need to at least know how to build everything from scratch with an enormous lea…

This has to be the least charitable reading of Crazyontap's comment. Couldn't you have just inserted the implied: > I was just talking to a friend the other day on how badly Apple and Google are trying their best to kill curiosity and creativity [with regard to the computer they're using]. Also: > So please, enough with this narrative, it’s really outdated and based on such a limited world view. You'll have to explai…

Because we also need sophisticated, powerful internet communications devices that contain our personal data, private photos and video, social media information, etc, etc and that we also rely on for a huge range of creative tasks.

These are not the right tools to also have completely exposed with no security or guard rails, where we can easily open up or broadcast everything to the world.

You can have your cake and eat it too, there are devices available that work just how you want, but that doesn't mean every device has to work that way. It certainly doesn't mean that my device has to work that way, just because you want it to.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by camillomiller »

fartcannon wrote: post #91
creata wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has to be the least charitable reading of Crazyontap's comment. Couldn't you have just inserted the implied: > I was just talking to a friend the other day on how badly Apple and Google are trying their best to kill curiosity and creativity [with regard to the computer they're using]. Also: > So please, enough with this narrative, it’s really outdated and based on such a limited world view. You'll have to explai…

From the tone, I believe they are intentionally trolling for reactions. It is probably best not to feed them.

It's called democratic discussion, but sure, go ahead, call me a troll. If that's your only argument, I think you've effectively helped in explaining what a limited world view is with a very practical example.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by protoman3000 »

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #39

Such a complicated solution. Here's a much simpler one: Stop using Facebook. Problem solved.

And stop using Instagram or WhatsApp or TikTok or LinkedIn. But can you, though?

Can you be the one single weird person in a group of 50 that says "I'd rather not have pictures of this event with my face on them posted on Insta, please"?

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