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Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by martin-adams »

deanclatworthy wrote: post #19
ishitatsuyuki wrote: post #6

Things like infinite scroll and autoplay should come with an option to turn them off and I think that’s well presented. Those are kind of dark patterns after All. Though, Apple probably isn’t in the position to enforce that; we unfortunately need to live with Jailbreak tweaks for them. But the rest of the post feels so off. Constantly nagging yourself to close social media? Reminding yourself that social media is a w…

> I want control over what I do, not a random program deciding what I should do. So ask the user once if they want to be reminded? You might not feel like social media is a toxic influence over your life but many people do.

I think what they are saying is to remove the addiction, not ask if someone want to be reminded to wake up from the addiction.

The question for me comes down to, is there such a thing as social media without the addiction, where the financial incentives to the company aren’t tied to and engagement and behaviour. I’d like to think that’s possible.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by warkdarrior »

retreatguru wrote: post #8
ishitatsuyuki wrote: post #6

Things like infinite scroll and autoplay should come with an option to turn them off and I think that’s well presented. Those are kind of dark patterns after All. Though, Apple probably isn’t in the position to enforce that; we unfortunately need to live with Jailbreak tweaks for them. But the rest of the post feels so off. Constantly nagging yourself to close social media? Reminding yourself that social media is a w…

What if the reminders could be more personalized or something that you write to your future self. For example: "Are you scrolling on the couch again amigo?, stop and hang out with your family!"

Even better, Facebook could provide these reminders and prompts, based on the information they collected by tracking your location and web browsing.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by iansinnott »

rho4 wrote: post #28

Meanwhile, today Microsoft gifted us a brand new "News & interests" area in the taskbar lobbying for our focus and attention. Successfully... I even had to google how to turn it off, and write this comment.

Also had to do the same. The method of disabling it, while not immediately obvious, didn't seem intentionally user-hostile. However, the idea of modifying any part of a user's desktop without their explicit input is troubling to say the least.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

sneak wrote: post #9
ishitatsuyuki wrote: post #6

Things like infinite scroll and autoplay should come with an option to turn them off and I think that’s well presented. Those are kind of dark patterns after All. Though, Apple probably isn’t in the position to enforce that; we unfortunately need to live with Jailbreak tweaks for them. But the rest of the post feels so off. Constantly nagging yourself to close social media? Reminding yourself that social media is a w…

Infinite scroll is not a dark pattern. Dark patterns are explicitly designed to conflate or deceive. Infinite scroll just gives people more of what they want. Turns out, most people, most of the time, want the gorbage.

> Infinite scroll is not a dark pattern. Dark patterns are explicitly designed to conflate or deceive.

This comment doesn't deserve to be downvoted. I came to this thread holding this exact view. The ensuing discussion changed my mind. It's honestly asked and respectfully answered, the stuff this community is made of.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by Saint_Genet »

Yes, let a userbase that is dominated by american, white, middle-class people determine what is time well spent. I'm sure that's gonna be applicable to everyone in the world.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

#38

Post by sneak »

wickedsight wrote: post #24
sneak wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Infinite scroll is not a dark pattern. Dark patterns are explicitly designed to conflate or deceive. Infinite scroll just gives people more of what they want. Turns out, most people, most of the time, want the gorbage.

Alcoholics want booze, but many of them wake up every day thinking today they won't drink anything, but they still do. Infinite scroll is a dark pattern in the way it gives you something your addicted brain wants, and therefore you think you might want, but it's actually just a way for them to get more money. Personal anecdote: I hardly read more than the front page on HN, even though I consider HN one of the least '…

> Infinite scroll is a dark pattern in the way it gives you something your addicted brain wants, and therefore you think you might want, but it's actually just a way for them to get more money.

Dark patterns are particular UI patterns that are of a certain objective type regardless of whether or not the user is an addict.

Infinite scroll is not in the list.

Slot machines are addictive and are designed to get people to play as much and as long as possible, but they assiduously avoid dark patterns because people will avoid machines that pull that sort of bullshit and choose ones that don't.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by lewich »

Would be really nice to have this, but what are the chances? I am still thinking it would be better to be off-facebook (already got off twitter, instagram and other networks), but keeping in touch with local community is not possible then.
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