iOS 15 Humane

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Post by uffo » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 3:56 AM UTC

Re: iOS 15 Humane

#2

Post by busymom0 » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 5:04 AM UTC

Almost all of this could be achieved via third party apps if the screen time data was available via an API and background app mode. I understand why it's not though as it's a lot of personal data. However Apple does provide access to health data via the HealthKit so maybe they can do something similar for Screen time?

Did they make any API changes in iOS 15 announced yesterday?

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by xmprt » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 5:12 AM UTC

I really like the idea of having permissions for what kind of experience an app can show. For example, if Facebook had a way to disable infinite feeds and disable videos then I'd be more likely to use it on my phone (whereas right now, I never use it).

We have permission settings for things like camera, microphone, and file system access. Why not go an extra step and add permissions on how apps take up our time.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by danappelxx » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 5:13 AM UTC

This concept is really well put together, and I would love to see it come to life.

That said, this quote made me laugh out loud

> For example if you're struggling to use Tinder responsibly, you could create a condition that you can only use the app while FaceTiming with a friend.

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Post by alirsgp » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 5:17 AM UTC

I love this. I hope it's pushed thru. I would send this to Tim Cook: tcook@apple.com or federighi@apple.com

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by ishitatsuyuki » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 5:18 AM UTC

Things like infinite scroll and autoplay should come with an option to turn them off and I think that’s well presented. Those are kind of dark patterns after All. Though, Apple probably isn’t in the position to enforce that; we unfortunately need to live with Jailbreak tweaks for them.

But the rest of the post feels so off. Constantly nagging yourself to close social media? Reminding yourself that social media is a waste of time by asking whether the time is “well spent”? No thanks. These are just dark patterns but flipped to the other side. I want control over what I do, not a random program deciding what I should do.

I also have never found Screen Time restrictions to be effective; either I unlock the restrictions by myself, or I just find other ways to waste the time. The reason people waste so much time with social media, I think, is because they simply don’t have anything else to do, or they’re not motivated enough to do what they should do.

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Post by retreatguru » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 5:21 AM UTC

This is brilliant and would help just a little bit to bring us back from our global phone addiction. It's a start at least.

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Post by retreatguru » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 5:26 AM UTC

ishitatsuyuki wrote: post #6

Things like infinite scroll and autoplay should come with an option to turn them off and I think that’s well presented. Those are kind of dark patterns after All. Though, Apple probably isn’t in the position to enforce that; we unfortunately need to live with Jailbreak tweaks for them. But the rest of the post feels so off. Constantly nagging yourself to close social media? Reminding yourself that social media is a w…

What if the reminders could be more personalized or something that you write to your future self. For example: "Are you scrolling on the couch again amigo?, stop and hang out with your family!"

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by sneak » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 5:31 AM UTC

ishitatsuyuki wrote: post #6

Things like infinite scroll and autoplay should come with an option to turn them off and I think that’s well presented. Those are kind of dark patterns after All. Though, Apple probably isn’t in the position to enforce that; we unfortunately need to live with Jailbreak tweaks for them. But the rest of the post feels so off. Constantly nagging yourself to close social media? Reminding yourself that social media is a w…

Infinite scroll is not a dark pattern. Dark patterns are explicitly designed to conflate or deceive.

Infinite scroll just gives people more of what they want. Turns out, most people, most of the time, want the gorbage.

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Post by powerlogic31 » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 5:33 AM UTC

ishitatsuyuki wrote: post #6

Things like infinite scroll and autoplay should come with an option to turn them off and I think that’s well presented. Those are kind of dark patterns after All. Though, Apple probably isn’t in the position to enforce that; we unfortunately need to live with Jailbreak tweaks for them. But the rest of the post feels so off. Constantly nagging yourself to close social media? Reminding yourself that social media is a w…

Yeah this is cool as an option. but don't make it as a default. A lot of people actually love the automatic feed. Of course they're not here on HN reading stuffs. So you won't know what actual majority of user want.