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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by wernercd »

immackay wrote: post #368
josephcsible wrote: post #345

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Jailbreaking doesn't count.

No jailbreaking necessary. Edit: Can't reply further, but the way of doing this is much the same as installing unsigned apps on an xbox. Using a (free) developer account you can sideload things quite easy using something like https://github.com/ios-control/ios-deploy

https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/6/22421912/iphone-web-app-pw...

Anyone who pushes Web Apps as a viable option is being disingenuous about what it provides or purposely ignorant.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by wernercd »

josephcsible wrote: post #369
immackay wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No jailbreaking necessary. Edit: Can't reply further, but the way of doing this is much the same as installing unsigned apps on an xbox. Using a (free) developer account you can sideload things quite easy using something like https://github.com/ios-control/ios-deploy

Can you explain how, then? Edit: So the only way to do it besides jailbreaking is for literally everyone who wants to do it to pay Apple an extra $100 on top of what they already paid for their iDevice. (Sharing will get your certificate revoked.)

https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/6/22421912/iphone-web-app-pw...

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by wernercd »

j_koreth wrote: post #378
manigandham wrote: post #339

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Physical disks.

Aren't physical disks also liable to give Sony and Microsoft a cut?

Do physical disks come with "you cant sell me at less" restrictions like Apple enforces? With "you can't use any payment store other than apple"?

The number of restrictions on top of Apples cut is what makes the difference. The mafia wishes they could enforce the same restrictions. Apple makes them look reasonable.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by valparaiso »

Animats wrote: post #314

Jasmine from Fanhouse is likely to get a speaking slot at the upcoming Congressional hearings on Apple.

It would be interesting to hear how she wants to make money on Apple platform by not following the rules and not paying fees for access to Apple user base. It seems zoomers live in alternative version of Universe where everyone is owing them something.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by chrisseaton »

stale2002 wrote: post #386
chrisseaton wrote: post #376

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Have they been found to be breaking the law? Also if they are, are these good laws anyway?

Congratulations on having now made a falsifiable prediction! I will absolutely make sure to save this comment, and come back to you in a couple months. I think that at least some, of Apple's decisions are illegally anti-competitive, and that the judge in the epic vs apple case, will at least partially rule against Apple, on some fronts. And your position, is that you think that nothing at all that Apple is doing is i…

I think you've misread my comments.

I didn't predict anything. I asked if it had been found to be illegal. It hasn't. So I don't know how you're describing it as 'illegal'. Apple clearly believe it's legal, and no authority has given an opinion otherwise yet.

> And your position, is that you think ... that no judge will rule against them

Sorry I'm afraid you've misread again - I didn't say this anywhere. Where do you think I said what I think the outcome of any trial would be?

I'm giving my opinion (after being invited to) on the morality of Apple's actions. I'm not giving a legal opinion on the outcome of any trial. I even said 'if they are, are these good laws anyway?' which should have made that clear.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by manigandham »

tpmoney wrote: post #388
manigandham wrote: post #363

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Because nobody is limited by having more choice. It's quite literally the opposite situation.

So how does Apple limit anyone by offering their choice? Anyone who wants a phone environment where you can install any app and app store you want merely needs to buy and Android phone instead of an iPhone. And anyone who wants a phone environment where developers are far more restricted and are required to behave in certain ways can buy an iPhone instead of an Android. Seems to me everyone wins.

Apple limits everyone by not offering the choice in how their purchased hardware installs and runs their chosen software.

We really must steer away from this dystopian view of "choice" amongst trillion-dollar megacorps that control half of the ecosystem. Yes, there should be different rules when they get that big, like serving the user first.

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Post by treis »

GreaterFool wrote: post #321
smoldesu wrote: post #225

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I came from this in the opposite direction. I grew up programming on an iMac, but ended up switching to Linux when Macports/Homebrew started stagnating a few years ago. I was blown away by how simple and well-distributed everything was. Package management wasn't a nightmare, the shell respected administrator authority, I had fully updated coreutils, 32-bit apps/libs... the list goes on. I understand why people use Ma…

Linux is developer friendly but user experience is abysmal. I’m a developer. I grew up with Linux. I can’t wait for Apple to turn MacOS into iOS with extras. Linus himself said that Chromebook (with a shell) looks appealing. I just want iOS with a shell and file system running on fanless M1 without catching fire!

>Linux is developer friendly but user experience is abysmal.

I am a new Mac user and I will mostly disagree with that. Perhaps some of it is just being used to a different model, but there are lots of things I find confusing and unintuitive about the Mac. Like why can't I tile windows? And maybe it's just me, but I am having difficulty getting the close buttons to show up in full screen and the same for my dock. I am also unclear why sometimes my dock gets covered and other times it doesn't.

Also, I'm pretty disappointed with the performance. It takes 5-10s to open the context menu when right clicking a file in Finder and the thing sounds like a jet engine anytime it sees any sort of load.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by relaxing »

_jal wrote: post #389
mkishi wrote: post #273

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It does cost them money, but I can't wrap my mind on why that's not subsidized by the rest of the Apple machine. Didn't customers pay a premium for Apple hardware because of the unified ecosystem and superior security to begin with? And developers also pay a premium to be on the App Store ($99+30%) because it costs them money to create the infrastructure and ensure safety? I'm pretty ignorant on the whole situation,…

> Didn't customers pay a premium for Apple hardware because of the unified ecosystem and superior security to begin with Not defending Apple, but offering forever-services for one-time fees is a great way to go out of business. I would not expect the App Store to be subsidized by hardware sales. Also, assuming you accept the premise in the first place, it makes sense to charge the developer, who is the one generating…

All of those are recurring fees.

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Post by wernercd »

threatofrain wrote: post #299
ALittleLight wrote: post #298

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No, they wouldn't. That's the point. Apple and Google control the market for mobile phone apps. You could invent the best possible app store and take nothing as a cut and get no users because Apple wouldn't permit your app store and so you'd lose. Apple uses their hardware market dominance to control the software market and extracts rent from people who want to sell software on their hardware. That's what people are…

It's notable that Google does allow their customers to side-load apps.

and Google doesn't ban use of other payment processors or have restrictions on "you can sell elsewhere for less"

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by [deleted] »

immackay wrote: post #368
josephcsible wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jailbreaking doesn't count.

No jailbreaking necessary. Edit: Can't reply further, but the way of doing this is much the same as installing unsigned apps on an xbox. Using a (free) developer account you can sideload things quite easy using something like https://github.com/ios-control/ios-deploy

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