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Re: Drug users use a lot of drugs

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Post by sgspace » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 9:06 PM UTC

droopyEyelids wrote: post #28

oogetyboogety wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, not literally 50. Like 3 times the potency, maybe 5 or 6 times the potency of whatever your state average black market, grey market, or illegally grown crop is. It's important to clear up the FUD here because it has led to some backwards progress for legalization in states like Colorado recently.

Let's say you use a 0.5 g dab which has a THC content of 70% (most dabs are either 1-gram or 0.5 g). The wax has 0.35 g (350 mg of THC), but you could lose up to one-third of it when vaporizing. If this happens, you’ll end up with roughly 235 mg of THC per hit (if you can finish the whole dab in one hit). Someone without a THC tolerance will be completely satisfied with a 5mg dose, total. Thats 47 doses out of the 23…

I don’t know anyone who is doing half gram dabs lol. That’s like $25 in one hit. A gram of concentrate is supposed to last a while (20+ dabs) not a single hit or two.

Re: Drug users use a lot of drugs

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Post by abstractbarista » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 9:08 PM UTC

droopyEyelids wrote: post #28

oogetyboogety wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, not literally 50. Like 3 times the potency, maybe 5 or 6 times the potency of whatever your state average black market, grey market, or illegally grown crop is. It's important to clear up the FUD here because it has led to some backwards progress for legalization in states like Colorado recently.

Let's say you use a 0.5 g dab which has a THC content of 70% (most dabs are either 1-gram or 0.5 g). The wax has 0.35 g (350 mg of THC), but you could lose up to one-third of it when vaporizing. If this happens, you’ll end up with roughly 235 mg of THC per hit (if you can finish the whole dab in one hit). Someone without a THC tolerance will be completely satisfied with a 5mg dose, total. Thats 47 doses out of the 23…

Just have to say, a half gram dab is a fat dab. I'm sure some people do vaporize all of that at once. However, even with complete inhalation and 'swishing' it in their lungs, they will be wasting a lot of it on the exhale.

Re: Drug users use a lot of drugs

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Post by PicassoCTs » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 9:12 PM UTC

trestenhortz wrote: post #21

I watched a documentary about ketamine use by party people. It profiled a young guy who had destroyed his bladder and needed to use a pump and hole in his belly to urinate. Really disturbing.

Oh, that is just peritoneal-dialysis. Lots of people do that when there kidneys are shut and they want to continue a "normal" life without constant blood dialysis via machine.

The real con here is that you must limit your intake of fluids drastically

Re: Drug users use a lot of drugs

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Post by kriskrunch » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 9:17 PM UTC

vmception wrote: post #27

trestenhortz wrote: post #21

I watched a documentary about ketamine use by party people. It profiled a young guy who had destroyed his bladder and needed to use a pump and hole in his belly to urinate. Really disturbing.

My problem with that, and this article, is that it doesn't say what dosage does that? It just skips right on to meth, and dosages, and never mentions Ketamine again. We get that 280mg a month mostly doesn't, and 90,000mg a month can. But are these "party people" the same as the people doing that higher amount prorated to daily? More specifically, are the "party people" I've been around secretly having bladder problem…

I've known many users over the years, many OD while others decay over a few years.

One customer in particular used ketamine heavily. Due to a string of poor decisions, he was on federal probation and subjected to random drug tests.

He determined two drugs were not detectible by the tests at that time: ketamine and GHB. And he frequently consumed them. I remember him stumbling around my store, sipping caps of G every so often... sniffling behind tall pallets to suck up another key bump.

Over a year or so, he developed severe problems with his bladder, but wouldn't / couldn't stop his drug use, even after I broke it down to him plainly; "Bro, you are killing yourself."

From what I can tell, users don't keep track of doses, or much of anything. Their objectives are short term in nature: get high asap.

I suspect any such article that provides hard numbers like what you want will provide guestimates at best.

Re: Drug users use a lot of drugs

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Post by Impassionata » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 9:21 PM UTC

BurningFrog wrote: post #30

Impassionata wrote: post #12

It's hard to read Scott once you hear about how he courted the alt-right on purpose and his communities became full of open racists as a result.

It shouldn't be hard for a grownup to read his texts even if that were true.

It's not that it's hard to read his texts, and sometimes there's still some good stuff in there. It's that once someone shows bad judgment you have to think about how that manifests, and that manifests in poor thinking that's well-disguised.

Once you know a clock is broken don't use it to tell the time.

Re: Drug users use a lot of drugs

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Post by chasebank » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 9:22 PM UTC

droopyEyelids wrote: post #28

oogetyboogety wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, not literally 50. Like 3 times the potency, maybe 5 or 6 times the potency of whatever your state average black market, grey market, or illegally grown crop is. It's important to clear up the FUD here because it has led to some backwards progress for legalization in states like Colorado recently.

Let's say you use a 0.5 g dab which has a THC content of 70% (most dabs are either 1-gram or 0.5 g). The wax has 0.35 g (350 mg of THC), but you could lose up to one-third of it when vaporizing. If this happens, you’ll end up with roughly 235 mg of THC per hit (if you can finish the whole dab in one hit). Someone without a THC tolerance will be completely satisfied with a 5mg dose, total. Thats 47 doses out of the 23…

I bought and smoked a 'CBD' joint the other day. 0.47% THC, 15% CBD. I think the lady told me a typical joint is 15-25% THC. I was uncomfortably high.

Re: Drug users use a lot of drugs

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Post by notional » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 9:22 PM UTC

sgspace wrote: post #41

droopyEyelids wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say you use a 0.5 g dab which has a THC content of 70% (most dabs are either 1-gram or 0.5 g). The wax has 0.35 g (350 mg of THC), but you could lose up to one-third of it when vaporizing. If this happens, you’ll end up with roughly 235 mg of THC per hit (if you can finish the whole dab in one hit). Someone without a THC tolerance will be completely satisfied with a 5mg dose, total. Thats 47 doses out of the 23…

I don’t know anyone who is doing half gram dabs lol. That’s like $25 in one hit. A gram of concentrate is supposed to last a while (20+ dabs) not a single hit or two.

A gram of wax lasts me probably 50+ hits. It seriously lasts a long time. A tiny little crumb you can pinch out of the jar is more than enough for a big hit

Re: Drug users use a lot of drugs

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Post by Impassionata » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 9:23 PM UTC

arijun wrote: post #13

Impassionata wrote: post #12

It's hard to read Scott once you hear about how he courted the alt-right on purpose and his communities became full of open racists as a result.

Do you have a source for that? Beyond the NYT piece, which is so laughable it does hit pieces a disservice by being grouped with them.

There's some leaked emails where he plainly states he's chasing that audience. https://web.archive.org/web/20210217195335/https://twitter.c...

I wouldn't say he's racist but it's almost worse. He didn't think about how this would go down, which is to say, when you court an audience that has a reputation of being overtly racist, your audience will become more and more racist, driving good people out.

Re: Drug users use a lot of drugs

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Post by tomcam » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 9:23 PM UTC

newbie789 wrote: post #32

Former meth addict here. > The average crystal meth addict uses about 500 mg a day. And they snort it, which probably produces about double the peak plasma level as taking it orally. So they're getting the equivalent of 1000 mg oral amphetamine daily... 500mg sounds about right, but from my experience the most common route of administration (in the western United States at least) is smoking, not snorting. Because so…

Might be a regional thing? I was raised in Southern California, where is smoking is also the preferred method. I believe OP is from New York City. For all we know perhaps inhaling what his upper middle class cohort does.

Re: Drug users use a lot of drugs

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Post by Impassionata » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 9:25 PM UTC

agentwiggles wrote: post #38

Impassionata wrote: post #12

It's hard to read Scott once you hear about how he courted the alt-right on purpose and his communities became full of open racists as a result.

I've read a lot of his stuff and have never heard about that. Would you want to provide a link that supports your claim, so I can make an informed decision about continuing to read his generally good, substantive, and interesting content?

There's some leaked emails where he plainly states he's chasing that audience. https://web.archive.org/web/20210217195335/https://twitter.c...

I wouldn't say he's racist but it's almost worse. He didn't think about how this would go down, which is to say, when you court an audience that has a reputation of being overtly racist, your audience will become more and more racist, driving good people out.