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Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by Bayart »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #130
oblio wrote: post #3

Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

Just to clarify in case someone's wondering, a browser named Opera still exists and gets updated now, but neither the people behind it nor the underlying technology are the same as in the old Opera this post is referring to. As an old-time classic Opera user since version 5 or so, I do use the current Opera because I find it somewhat better than Chrome (it has more built-in stuff, including mouse gestures, Whatsapp/T…

Vivaldi is exactly as slow or fast as any Chromium-based browser. A this point I've surrendered to the notion of the web never getting faster, but just eating away any efficiency gains in computing.

I like Vivaldi for the feature set. It's rich enough for the regular power-user, but the presentation is straightforward enough that you don't feel like you need to pimp your browser like you would Emacs. I felt home with Opera, and I feel home with Vivaldi now.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by SekstiNi »

jamespo wrote: post #186
lkozma wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One small thing in the latest redesign: if you have two tabs, one active, one not, the visual cues suggest exactly the opposite. The active one seems like a clickable button, the inactive one seems pushed down and not clickable. After misclicking hundreds of times, I still couldn't train myself to go against my perception and follow the designer's "bold vision", using it feels like writing with my left hand or steeri…

Might want to check https://color.firefox.com

This is the way. Additionally I went into about:config and set browser.proton.enabled to false, which fixed most of the issues I had with the new design.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by Bayart »

sirius87 wrote: post #132
ACS_Solver wrote: post #47

I want to offer Vivaldi some praise, I switched to it as my main browser a few years ago, and it's been great. I had to look for a new browser when Firefox (that I had used since the Firebird days) kept breaking my settings and plugins with their updates. After yet another Firefox update I wasn't able to restore the browser to how I want it to be, so I tried Vivaldi. I'm not even a big fan of the original Opera, but…

Same. Huge fan of Opera 12, I was active in their community sites and reported bugs when possible. I'm glad to see them all coming back. I'm skeptical of trusting Vivaldi Sync with my passwords, so that's turned off, but I use Vivaldi on my Linux desktop and Android phone, syncing bookmarks, notes, speed dials. Works great! It's also hackable in the sense that the browser chrome uses plain old HTML/JS/CSS, so you cou…

>may have to re-patch after every browser update

I remember having some kind of flag on pacman, back when I was using Arch, to do that automagically.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by rasz »

grishka wrote: post #155
silentbugs wrote: post #150

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Which part exactly is being slowed down by these filters? Could you post a link to the bug report if it's public?

I'm not sure about the internals, but when those filters are there, the GPU process causes a lot of CPU load on every frame. So much that it often hits 100% of the single core it uses before it's able to draw at 60 fps. Oh and it redraws the tab bar a lot. It redraws it every time you scroll a page, and it continuously redraws it when there's a tab playing audio in order to animate those waves emanating from the spea…

Settings/Appearance/Window Appearance: disable “Use animation”

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by rasz »

Bayart wrote: post #211
Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to clarify in case someone's wondering, a browser named Opera still exists and gets updated now, but neither the people behind it nor the underlying technology are the same as in the old Opera this post is referring to. As an old-time classic Opera user since version 5 or so, I do use the current Opera because I find it somewhat better than Chrome (it has more built-in stuff, including mouse gestures, Whatsapp/T…

Vivaldi is exactly as slow or fast as any Chromium-based browser. A this point I've surrendered to the notion of the web never getting faster, but just eating away any efficiency gains in computing. I like Vivaldi for the feature set. It's rich enough for the regular power-user, but the presentation is straightforward enough that you don't feel like you need to pimp your browser like you would Emacs. I felt home with…

Fullscreen takes ~1 second in Vivaldi. Closing a Tab takes 300-1000ms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uCA2qIIG1M

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by bookofsand »

oblio wrote: post #3

Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

paid => ads => free. How is a 'free browser' supposed to pay its developers?

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by iforgotpassword »

thunderbong wrote: post #149
oblio wrote: post #3

Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

I still use Opera 12, by the way. Works fine for about 75% of the web. For the remaining, I use Vivaldi!

Not my experience. I use it out of nostalgia, but only for select sites. Many sites with modern SSL config won't load. Click a random link that lands you on a js-heavy site and the browser will stutter or often crash. Which is impressive because back in the day opera once had the fastest js engine by a mile. Goes to show how far V8 has come.

But browsing traditional sites that just have a little bit of js and are mostly static still feel faster to navigate on this 8 year old browser than the most recent chrome.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by pjs_ »

oblio wrote: post #3

Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can.

- Jamie Zawinski

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by junon »

I'm not seeing this exact question answered elsewhere, but since Vivaldi is based on Chromium, does it have any code that randomly reaches out to remote servers (including but not limited to Google) aside from, of course, those which are requested by web page content?

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by sirius87 »

Bayart wrote: post #213
sirius87 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. Huge fan of Opera 12, I was active in their community sites and reported bugs when possible. I'm glad to see them all coming back. I'm skeptical of trusting Vivaldi Sync with my passwords, so that's turned off, but I use Vivaldi on my Linux desktop and Android phone, syncing bookmarks, notes, speed dials. Works great! It's also hackable in the sense that the browser chrome uses plain old HTML/JS/CSS, so you cou…

>may have to re-patch after every browser update I remember having some kind of flag on pacman, back when I was using Arch, to do that automagically.

I'm on an Ubuntu based system, so an apt-get Post-Invoke hook would do the job for me [1]. I haven't bothered though. I just manually run a bash script that appends my !important changes to the end of the file.

But apparently there's an official way to apply CSS mods using vivaldi://experiments/ and Settings > Appearance

[1] https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-linux-hook-a-scr...

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