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Re: How did Replit respond to this blog post?

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Post by brhsagain »

ncmncm wrote: post #88
brhsagain wrote: post #49

For those calling Amjad's apology insincere: what would convince you otherwise? He's stated plainly that he did x, x was wrong, and he's sorry for doing x (x being making legal threats and abusing his power). Do you need him to concede his entire point of view 100%? If Riju really did copy repl.it, are you saying he should let that go in order to make a proper apology? Why is that a reasonable demand? I think I see o…

It's not an actual apology when you not only justify the bad behavior, but then go on to repeat the accusation. "I'm sorry I slugged you but you made me really mad. I won't do it again if you don't" is wholesale failure.

I guess my question then is: assume for a second Amjad has a legitimate grievance that Riju copied repl.it. (I hoped my comment would show that this is at least not a completely outlandish claim.) In that hypothetical scenario:

Sure, Amjad should apologize, and he did. Shouldn't Radon apologize? Why is this a completely one-sided thing? Why is Radon allowed to be like, I don't think I did anything wrong, and I'm disappointed by Amjad's behavior, but Amjad isn't? In this hypothetical, they both did something wrong, shouldn't there be a mutual apology?

Re: How did Replit respond to this blog post?

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Post by dang »

madsmith wrote: post #67

Wow… someone just nuked this right off of the front page.

Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27439301.

It's very important to understand that this story was at #1 all day yesterday, in contradiction to HN's normal rules. That is, we bent over backwards to allow this story to have much more attention on HN than it would have gotten in a normal case. That's why it got 4000 upvotes and 1300+ comments and was the #1 story the entire day (https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2021-06-07).

Why did we do that? Because we moderate HN less, not more, when YC or a YC startup is the story: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu.... That is literally the first principle of HN moderation, and we stick to it strictly.

Less moderation does not mean no moderation, however. It does not serve the community, or the quality of HN, to repeat the same thing all over again the next day. Downweighting follow-ups in order to avoid repetition, is another bedrock principle of HN moderation; otherwise the front page would be dominated by the same few stories every day. There are lots of past explanations about that at these links:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

Re: How did Replit respond to this blog post?

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Post by sillysaurusx »

dang wrote: post #87
yepthatsreality wrote: post #59

Was this removed from the front page because Replit has taken money from Ycombinator? EDIT: Just to clarify. This post has gained over 200 points and 70 comments on the last hour. It jumped from top 5 posts to low end of the top 50 posts in seconds and is rapidly sinking. Just curious what decision led to the hiding of a popular post.

This story was at #1 all day yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27424195 . Under normal circumstances we downweight indignation threads—we have to, because otherwise they would dominate HN's front page every single day, and that's not the kind of site HN is supposed to be. However, we moderate HN less, not more, when YC-funded startups are involved in a story ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=…

Hey Dan, completely unrelated, but I wanted to report what seems to be a HN bug. Please feel free to detach-collapse this.

album: https://imgur.com/a/QcHG9VK

In the first screenshot, notice that the highlighted comment has no replies. Here's a link to the page I was on, anchored to that comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?p=3&id=27424195#27429786

In the second screenshot, after navigating to the comment directly, there are in fact replies: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27429786

The bug is that those replies should be showing up in the first link, shouldn't they? E.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27430242 is a reply to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27429786, but when viewed on the original page https://news.ycombinator.com/item?p=3&id=27424195#27429786, it's absent.

I know that "more" pages shift toplevel comments around, but I've never seen child subtrees get completely pruned with no indication that they exist at all unless you navigate to the comment directly.

Sorry for the distraction. I didn't want to email this for a few reasons, some of which might be invalid. However, it does seem to be a slightly-serious bug if true, since a recent refactoring must've caused deeply-nested children not to show up when browsing top-level "more" links. I'm not sure anyone else has noticed yet.

(If this is intended behavior, sorry!)

Good luck bug hunting.

Re: How did Replit respond to this blog post?

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Post by fdiskl »

theiafan wrote: post #90

Given that Amjad seems particularly worried about people encroaching in this space, let me again say that nothing about Replit is unique, the use of Nix for Replit is literally an idea years past its prime. Nothing remotely unique. Amjad, if your securing your moat via threats, you better look out. To anyone else, go grab Theia. In about an hour you can get something better than Replit going, and if you combine with…

this fiasco reminds me of those YouTube guys who started sending notices to people doing reaction videos about stealing "their format"... when reaction videos had existed long before YouTube and certainly before those guys got involved.

Kinda the same thing here

Re: How did Replit respond to this blog post?

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Post by dang »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #93
dang wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This story was at #1 all day yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27424195 . Under normal circumstances we downweight indignation threads—we have to, because otherwise they would dominate HN's front page every single day, and that's not the kind of site HN is supposed to be. However, we moderate HN less, not more, when YC-funded startups are involved in a story ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=…

Hey Dan, completely unrelated, but I wanted to report what seems to be a HN bug. Please feel free to detach-collapse this. album: https://imgur.com/a/QcHG9VK In the first screenshot, notice that the highlighted comment has no replies. Here's a link to the page I was on, anchored to that comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?p=3&id=27424195#27429786 In the second screenshot, after navigating to the comment direct…

The 'more' link in place of a 'reply' link is intended to indicate that there are more comments in the subthread.

We're experimenting, in order to deal with this problem: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27437362.

Re: How did Replit respond to this blog post?

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Post by yepthatsreality »

dang wrote: post #89
yepthatsreality wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s for the previous thread though. Unless I’m missing something every thing he says doesn’t necessarily apply to this thread.

From my perspective it does apply. Please see my comment upthread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27439301 . If there's something there you feel I haven't addressed, I'd be happy to hear what it is.

Thanks for your reply and explain.

Re: How did Replit respond to this blog post?

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Post by hluska »

bredren wrote: post #25
chipgap98 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this. He's only acknowledging that the legal threat was wrong when that was one of only several troubling behaviors.

In my experience, evasiveness and “baffling” behavior of this kind can indicate a deeply rooted in personality trait. Personalities like this exist across the social stratum. They are something to take careful note of as quickly as possible and avoid.

I agree with you - humans have thousands of years of experience figuring out who and what to trust. It’s kind of amazing how easy it is to destroy a reputation, especially when you consider how hard it is to build one.

Re: How did Replit respond to this blog post?

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Post by sillysaurusx »

dang wrote: post #96
sillysaurusx wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey Dan, completely unrelated, but I wanted to report what seems to be a HN bug. Please feel free to detach-collapse this. album: https://imgur.com/a/QcHG9VK In the first screenshot, notice that the highlighted comment has no replies. Here's a link to the page I was on, anchored to that comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?p=3&id=27424195#27429786 In the second screenshot, after navigating to the comment direct…

The 'more' link in place of a 'reply' link is intended to indicate that there are more comments in the subthread. We're experimenting, in order to deal with this problem: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27437362 .

Oh! I’m sorry, I had HN blindness. I didn’t notice at all that “reply” got swapped to “more”. Cool.

(Wish it was a different color, or included the descendant count.)

Re: How did Replit respond to this blog post?

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Post by hluska »

nrmitchi wrote: post #71
mkr-hn wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Three pages of text is a lot to read in images you can't reprocess for accessibility on a site made for viewing images.

Ya, it's definitely a lot to read. But if you are going to make statements like "I can't believe he responded in that way!!", it's important to read the thing that is actually being responded to .

I read the three page disaster and it was a disaster. However, it was from a recent graduate.

The response was written by a CEO. C level positions carry a certain duty and require tremendous skill. In this case, Amjad responded to a poorly written email in such a way that every investor and employee has to fear or they’re not paying attention.

Humans have thousands of years of experience processing trust. It takes a life to build a good reputation and one email chain to destroy it. C level leaders genuinely have to be a lot better than this, especially when faced with difficult emails.

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