FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

Post by systoll » Tue, Jun 08, 2021, 2:08 PM UTC

behnamoh wrote: post #88

nklmilojevic wrote: post #14

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You cannot achieve true E2E encryption on Firefox as it doesn't support insertable streams, so I guess this is where the limitation is. EDIT: bug on bugzilla https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1631263

Then how come Zoom works in FF?

Post by lotsofpulp » Tue, Jun 08, 2021, 2:09 PM UTC

1over137 wrote: post #97

lotsofpulp wrote: post #78

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> This idea that only Chrome matters is absolutely coming from the bottom up and when you point out something broken in Safari the first response from them is "Does it work in Chrome?" before they even look at it because they themselves don't even test in a second browser. I would have thought at least iOS Safari would be a major consideration for anyone due to the ubiquity of iOS devices.

Ubiquity of iOS devices? They are only about 15% of smartphones.

Post by syshum » Tue, Jun 08, 2021, 2:13 PM UTC

efields wrote: post #71

tyrion wrote: post #49

It may seem an advantage to use the latest cutting edge features of a single platform, instead of using well established standards which are compatible with every browser. Sure, you are going to leave out some small minority of users, but you gain access to many new features. However, you are helping push the web become an increasingly centralized place, controlled by just a few entities, with interests which are ver…

To the vast majority of the people that use this on the web, they will do care about your story. I don’t mean that as an insult; I’m happy there are folks like you with passion in this space. If you’re old enough, you still wake up in the middle of the night sweating about IE 6 or 7 bugs that HAD to be solved with brute force even though the feature worked just fine in Firefox and Chrome. After years of struggle, mos…

Post by syshum » Tue, Jun 08, 2021, 2:15 PM UTC

moron4hire wrote: post #91

kevincox wrote: post #68

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Microsoft dropping EdgeHTML was the biggest blow to the open web in many years. I really hope that Mozilla can pull some magic to keep Google from maintaining basically full control of web standards.

Bullshit. Microsoft adopting Chromium was the single biggest boon for the open web in many years. By reducing the friction for creating powerful web apps, it closes the gap for what is possible in competition with walled-garden app stores.

Post by sam_goody » Tue, Jun 08, 2021, 2:19 PM UTC

lxgr wrote: post #84

tyrion wrote: post #49

It may seem an advantage to use the latest cutting edge features of a single platform, instead of using well established standards which are compatible with every browser. Sure, you are going to leave out some small minority of users, but you gain access to many new features. However, you are helping push the web become an increasingly centralized place, controlled by just a few entities, with interests which are ver…

There simply isn't a way to implement this on Firefox as it is. It's lacking the necessary API for end-to-end encryption: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27432001 Yes, many pages support only Chrome for no good reason at all, but in this instance, the ball is 100% with Mozilla.