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Re: FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Post by efields »

tyrion wrote: post #49

It may seem an advantage to use the latest cutting edge features of a single platform, instead of using well established standards which are compatible with every browser. Sure, you are going to leave out some small minority of users, but you gain access to many new features. However, you are helping push the web become an increasingly centralized place, controlled by just a few entities, with interests which are ver…

To the vast majority of the people that use this on the web, they will do care about your story.

I don’t mean that as an insult; I’m happy there are folks like you with passion in this space.

If you’re old enough, you still wake up in the middle of the night sweating about IE 6 or 7 bugs that HAD to be solved with brute force even though the feature worked just fine in Firefox and Chrome. After years of struggle, most of the world uses a very compliant and continuously upgraded browser.

Please… take the win.

Re: FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Post by ballenf »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #59
tyrion wrote: post #49

It may seem an advantage to use the latest cutting edge features of a single platform, instead of using well established standards which are compatible with every browser. Sure, you are going to leave out some small minority of users, but you gain access to many new features. However, you are helping push the web become an increasingly centralized place, controlled by just a few entities, with interests which are ver…

I can count the number of developers I've worked with over the last 5 years that care about it working in any browser other than Chrome on one finger. This idea that only Chrome matters is absolutely coming from the bottom up and when you point out something broken in Safari the first response from them is "Does it work in Chrome?" before they even look at it because they themselves don't even test in a second browse…

That mirrors my experience. It's not POs or PMs that hear about some new niche browser feature only supported by Chrome. It's devs that want to play with the latest toys and kind of look at you weird if you use Safari.

There's an annoying assumption from other devs that I must be using Safari out of ignorance. They quickly get over it, but it's a problematic first impression thing when working with new teams.

Re: FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Post by gorjusborg »

ostenning wrote: post #33
kossTKR wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do but who doesn't? Apple isn't different than any other tech companies. That said, yes, the global south produces for west in slave like conditions and it's sad.

It's a sad reality of society, but it doesn't have to be. I guess one of my biggest issues with modern day slavery is that the companies that exploit these poorer nations often paint a deceptive picture that everything is above board. And whats worse is that these companies have the audacity to get behind social movements. Its predatory and just another scheme to improve their bottom line and lull their customers int…

The term 'Slave-labor offsets' comes to mind when reading your post. I agree that it is disgusting that the public unknowing funds human suffering.

Re: FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Post by carlob »

namdnay wrote: post #65
simondotau wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really! My respect for France has gone up a few notches.

Don't get too excited, in France there's a tax on all storage devices (sd cards, usb sticks, hdds, laptops, phones etc) to help subsidise the record and film industry...

We have that in Italy too, but at least that means that ripping CDs or DVDs is entirely legal. It's actually called private copy contribution.

Re: FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Post by gorjusborg »

occz wrote: post #24

From what I've heard so far about FaceTime on non-apple devices, I'm extremely unimpressed.

I wouldn't be surprised if that outcome is intentional. Apple has been pretty transparent (through their actions) that they don't want FaceTime and ichat to be cross platform.

It could be that this exists as a piece of evidence in an anti-trust fight.

Re: FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Post by Devasta »

hinoki wrote: post #66
Devasta wrote: post #57

Web standards stopped mattering in 2004, these days the only browsers that need to be considered are Chrome and mobile Safari, everything else from other browsers to standards bodies is just an exercise in pretending those two browsers don't have control over the web. Those two will never be unseated; the constant addition and change of new APIs means that trying to create a new browser is a herculean task beyond the…

Even Microsoft couldn’t do it, gave up, and just used Blink. I assume management just saw how much of each release was spent being bug compatible with Chrome and decided it wasn’t worth it.

Electrons advance into the desktop space means that MS has to put resources into enhancing the performance of Chromium on their platforms anyway, so really even if they wanted to carry on with Trident/EdgeHTML they'd end up competing with themselves.

Re: FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Post by dbg31415 »

That's OK, Firefox would just melt the MBP if you tried to do a streaming call on it anyway. It's my browser of choice, but it uses 40x more power to do streaming (vs. Safari), and has serious heat issues. Wish they'd fix it. Until they do, no reason for Apple to try and support it... likely Firefox can't give a user a good streaming experience on MacOS given how long this issue has been a problem and how little has been done to fix it to date.

Re: FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Post by lotsofpulp »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #59
tyrion wrote: post #49

It may seem an advantage to use the latest cutting edge features of a single platform, instead of using well established standards which are compatible with every browser. Sure, you are going to leave out some small minority of users, but you gain access to many new features. However, you are helping push the web become an increasingly centralized place, controlled by just a few entities, with interests which are ver…

I can count the number of developers I've worked with over the last 5 years that care about it working in any browser other than Chrome on one finger. This idea that only Chrome matters is absolutely coming from the bottom up and when you point out something broken in Safari the first response from them is "Does it work in Chrome?" before they even look at it because they themselves don't even test in a second browse…

> This idea that only Chrome matters is absolutely coming from the bottom up and when you point out something broken in Safari the first response from them is "Does it work in Chrome?" before they even look at it because they themselves don't even test in a second browser.

I would have thought at least iOS Safari would be a major consideration for anyone due to the ubiquity of iOS devices.

Re: FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Post by homarp »

hartator wrote: post #54
tyrion wrote: post #49

It may seem an advantage to use the latest cutting edge features of a single platform, instead of using well established standards which are compatible with every browser. Sure, you are going to leave out some small minority of users, but you gain access to many new features. However, you are helping push the web become an increasingly centralized place, controlled by just a few entities, with interests which are ver…

> you are helping push the web become an increasingly centralized place Does it? Open source standardization is a good thing. Still not sure why html/css/js engine should be the exception. No one is calling for competition for QR code, torrent protocol, or the other billion of very dominant open source projects.

but we have multiple compilers for the same language though. And multiple OS too.
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