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Apple advances its privacy leadership with iOS 15, iPadOS 15, macOS Monterey

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Re: Apple advances its privacy leadership with iOS 15, iPadOS 15, macOS Monterey

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Post by topicseed »

jacobajit wrote: post #12

I'm a little concerned about the new Safari interface [0], which very smoothly integrates the tab/address bar with page content. For example, the background color of the page flows behind the open tabs such that it looks like one unified interface, rather than browserchrome || pagecontent. This is all great to experience as web apps increasingly take over the functions of native apps. It does help them feel more like…

It is a risky move to mess with people's browser experience. It does look good though, I use Chrome and won't be changing for that but it does show thoughtful changes, perhaps even practical!

Re: Apple advances its privacy leadership with iOS 15, iPadOS 15, macOS Monterey

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Post by clairity »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #16

> Users can also find out with whom their data may be shared by seeing all the third-party domains an app is contacting. Finally! Hopefully this sunlight makes some of the cockroaches go away. Yes, data can be shared server-side, but that reduces the economics of the tracking industry because of the added cost of bandwidth and complexity of supporting different server types instead of just an iOS SDK.

unfortunately, with the rise of cdn's, it's become much more difficult to differentiate useful connections from tracking/nefarious connections. oftentimes, you just get a generic cloudflare or aws server node, rather than the actual 3rd-party. sometimes the reverse lookup goes a step further to determine the final recipient of a connection, but not often.

Re: Apple advances its privacy leadership with iOS 15, iPadOS 15, macOS Monterey

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Post by Nicksil »

topicseed wrote: post #22

The hiding of the geolocation of the user is going to be a nightmare for gambling websites and other websites who have regulations based on the visitor's jurisdiction.

These websites can still use the JavaScript GeoLocation API[1], can they not? The article just talks about removing the ability to ascertain a users Geo-location via their IP address (unless I've missed something which is very possible at this hour). I'm not at all familiar with these services or their respective regulations but it seems, however, if the need for Geo-location exists, it may still be had if the user allows it. (via the permission prompt displayed when activating the JavaScript API).

[1]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Geolocation...

Re: Apple advances its privacy leadership with iOS 15, iPadOS 15, macOS Monterey

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Post by michelb »

jacobajit wrote: post #12

I'm a little concerned about the new Safari interface [0], which very smoothly integrates the tab/address bar with page content. For example, the background color of the page flows behind the open tabs such that it looks like one unified interface, rather than browserchrome || pagecontent. This is all great to experience as web apps increasingly take over the functions of native apps. It does help them feel more like…

I'm also wondering how this UI will work when you have 30 tabs open in one window.

Re: Apple advances its privacy leadership with iOS 15, iPadOS 15, macOS Monterey

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Post by zimpenfish »

jacobajit wrote: post #12

I'm a little concerned about the new Safari interface [0], which very smoothly integrates the tab/address bar with page content. For example, the background color of the page flows behind the open tabs such that it looks like one unified interface, rather than browserchrome || pagecontent. This is all great to experience as web apps increasingly take over the functions of native apps. It does help them feel more like…

> I'm a little concerned about the new Safari interface

Having used it for a few hours, I'm hoping someone sees sense and gives this a good UX going over before release because it's currently unpleasant to use. The motion at the top with the tabs swiffing[1] about is distracting; some sites colour the whole top which is another huge motion flash; and finding the address bar requires scanning because it's not in a fixed position.

There's also an optical effect where switching between a site that's coloured the top and one that hasn't makes it look like the whole browser is jumping up at down due to the contrast boundary at the top of the page. All of this is going to make motion sensitive people even more unhappy.

[1] best way I can describe it.

Re: Apple advances its privacy leadership with iOS 15, iPadOS 15, macOS Monterey

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Post by zimpenfish »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #17
jacobajit wrote: post #12

I'm a little concerned about the new Safari interface [0], which very smoothly integrates the tab/address bar with page content. For example, the background color of the page flows behind the open tabs such that it looks like one unified interface, rather than browserchrome || pagecontent. This is all great to experience as web apps increasingly take over the functions of native apps. It does help them feel more like…

I just installed iPadOS 15 beta tonight. It took a few minutes to get used to Safari changes, but now I like it.

I am currently hating the mobile Safari changes, alas. I love the idea of moving the address bar to the bottom because it's just easier to get to but ... you tap on it and it jumps to the top where it used to be. Then when you've got to a page, the address is right on top of the Home Bar which, I thought, you were supposed to avoid placing clickable items because the damn Home Bar gets in the way.

Also when you click the bottom address bar, it removes the page content in favour of your favourites. Really stupid if you're trying to go to/search something that you've seen in the page content.

Also, also, if you swipe the bottom address bar to change tabs - a really nice feature! - it disappears after a second or two (sometimes before the content has fully loaded) which means you then have to tap in a different place for it to come back.

Death by a thousand UX stupidities.

Re: Apple advances its privacy leadership with iOS 15, iPadOS 15, macOS Monterey

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Post by topicseed »

Nicksil wrote: post #24
topicseed wrote: post #22

The hiding of the geolocation of the user is going to be a nightmare for gambling websites and other websites who have regulations based on the visitor's jurisdiction.

These websites can still use the JavaScript GeoLocation API[1], can they not? The article just talks about removing the ability to ascertain a users Geo-location via their IP address (unless I've missed something which is very possible at this hour). I'm not at all familiar with these services or their respective regulations but it seems, however, if the need for Geo-location exists, it may still be had if the user a…

It's generally done via IP, the JS API is definitely a real option now for them but I've never seen it used (e.g., Poker sites, affiliate gambling blogs)
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