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FaceTime is coming to Android and Windows via the web

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Re: FaceTime is coming to Android and Windows via the web

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A very lame excuse.

Apple is already on the hook for about a billion dollars to VirnetX. That's not a lame excuse at all.

VirnetX Market cap: 356.004M

Apple could offer every shareholder ten times the market value and end the problem.

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Wow. That is unexpected. I have to say that FaceTime in a browser sandbox is one of the few Apple products I would consider using. I wonder what made them take this path? I also wonder if someone could build a Matrix bridge if it is available via web, that would be fairly cool. Some questions: - Is it phone-number based IDs? Or can I pick a username or get a random ID? - Is spam going to be a problem? Previous Apple…

This is a honest question, so, what is so good about FaceTime? I have not used an iPhone since version 3GS, so it has been a while, but I understand it is just something similar to whatsapp video calls, google meet, or even zoom?

On an iPhone, the barrier to using facetime is very low, its like making or receiving a video phone call than using a video conferencing app - I'd imagine more elderly or low computer/smart phone literate would can a facetime call to their grandkids than use whatsapp/zoom to do the same

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At the presentation at least, they said it would still be E2E encrypted even on the web. Duo is also E2E encrypted and supports web.

tbh wouldn’t making FaceTime on web just essentially rebuilding a WebRTC system with the encryption layer and related metadata for formatting the stream?

Probably. Also, I'm not familiar with FaceTime's stack, but Duo was built from scratch on top of WebRTC. Justin Uberti, the co-inventor of WebRTC, was on the Duo team, as well as Hangout Video and Stadia. He recently left Google for Clubhouse apparently.

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why not create app, at least for android?! web browser experience is not that great on mobile, at least for mobile platform. Do Apple have resource constraint? or is it intentional?

It's definitely intentional but the reason isn't exactly clear IMO.

It could be resource constraints, in the sense that they don't want to dedicate resources to developing apps for other platforms. Another possibility is control over the environment that users consume their apps. Or maybe Apple sees exclusivity as a selling point of their devices, and an entry point into their ecosystem.

Steve Jobs was against iTunes for Windows initially, and it took a lot of convincing from the board of directors to allow it.

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From Duo wiki: “ In August 2020, it was reported that Google was planning to eventually replace Google Duo with Google Meet, but would continue to support Duo and "invest in building new features" in the long term.[2]” I don’t know exactly what that means. Seems like not much and Duo is still a priority. But all the deprecating and switching of Google products makes them a non win for me. It’s hard for me to get frie…

It's no different than Hangouts. We got fed misleading headlines about how it was KILLED for years, but it seems like as far as users are concerned, it'll just be a UI change. Behind the scene they are migrating it to Chat, but all your chats and contacts and histogram will be migrated over. I would assume something similar with Duo. It'll probably change look and get merged into Meet, but it'll probably still be mor…

As a Fi user, they did kill Hangouts for me. I can't use it for SMS and its only other advantage is it takes up a large chunk of my gmail tab. Why should I use it?

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> We can't have facetime for android because that will remove the barrier for families to buy Android phones for their kids I might be missing something... Is there something in this that is illegal?

> illegal besides being immoral and a literal F-U to your consumers, it can bring anti trust cases when you are as big as Apple. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in But other than that, well, just go celebrate your $2 gain on your APPL stocks despite the fact you were prohibited to call 50% of your friends just so someone couldn't save a few bucks when buying a phone for their teenage kid. Go you!

To be honest, it is more a F-U to your competitors' customers than to your own. I don't get why Apple creating a feature for their own ecosystem has to be made available to other ecosystems as well. It's not like Face Time is the only video calling solution out there.
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