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The price of lithium-ion batteries has declined by 97% in the last three decades

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Re: The price of lithium-ion batteries has declined by 97% in the last three decades

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> Think Moore's Law, which is dead now. Look again. Moore's law in terms of single threaded performance is dead. In literal terms of number of transistors on a wafer, it's still increasing exponentially, just slower. And in terms of what mattered when people cited Moore's law, the decrease in price/performance, it's still exponential, just slower and multi core. It will end, as all exponential trends must end lest th…

I am sure there is some sci fi novel where species compete for neutron stars because they are a very dense compute substrate.

Isn't Three Body Problem kinda like this?

Re: The price of lithium-ion batteries has declined by 97% in the last three decades

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you're paying for the brand, shelf position and other advertising cheap and reputable supermarket brand ones last just long

GP meant price for alkaline batteries did not come down. Another point to consider is if you leave the alkaline battery in for too long will the chemical leak and ruin your device? The damage to your device from a broken battery could easily exceed the cost differential. I don't have solid evidence that brand names work better in this regard but I have definitely experienced repeatedly generic batteries having white…

People should quit buying alkaline batteries anyway. NiMH batteries are great for just about every application you'd use a throway for, and you only have to recharge them about twice to "get your money back."

Re: The price of lithium-ion batteries has declined by 97% in the last three decades

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I don't think this applies to Duracell or Energizer alkaline batteries unfortunately :( Of course reading the article they are talking about Lithium Ion batteries.

you're paying for the brand, shelf position and other advertising cheap and reputable supermarket brand ones last just long

How do you tell the difference between a battery brand that is more expensive because the battery has greater capacity (“heavy duty”, “extra long life”, etc.) and a brand that is more expensive because of the brand name? Last time I looked in the supermarket there were no comparable metrics printed on the packaging.

Re: The price of lithium-ion batteries has declined by 97% in the last three decades

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Although Li-Ion cells are getting cheaper and cheaper every year, it still is worth salvaging the good ones from depleted laptop battery packs. When a laptop battery pack is gone it's almost always the case of one, max two, 18650 elements that failed, not the whole pack. I've built some good power banks using empty shells (very cheap on Ebay, Aliexpress etc.) and fitting inside the good cells salvaged that way. They last just like new ones once one discards the bad ones. The only caveat is that cells taken from laptop battery packs are not individually protected, that is, they don't employ the small pcb containing a protection against excessive charge, discharge, temperature, short circuit, etc. because the needed circuitry is already contained in the laptop battery pack. Power bank shells do indeed contain such protection, so no problems, but care must be taken into insulating the cells contacts so they cannot short, and before fitting them the user must charge each of them to a known identical voltage, so that once they're put in parallel (remember: no individual protection) the strongest ones won't discharge their energy on weaker ones.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Think Moore's Law, which is dead now. Look again. Moore's law in terms of single threaded performance is dead. In literal terms of number of transistors on a wafer, it's still increasing exponentially, just slower. And in terms of what mattered when people cited Moore's law, the decrease in price/performance, it's still exponential, just slower and multi core. It will end, as all exponential trends must end lest th…

I am sure there is some sci fi novel where species compete for neutron stars because they are a very dense compute substrate.

Not neutron stars specifically, but Accelerando by Charles Stross covers this.

Re: The price of lithium-ion batteries has declined by 97% in the last three decades

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I don't think this applies to Duracell or Energizer alkaline batteries unfortunately :( Of course reading the article they are talking about Lithium Ion batteries.

I would just buy some Panasonic eneloops(NiMH - not an ad, just the battery I have went with after researching this quite a bit) whenever you need to buy alkaline batteries. They are about twice as expensive but are rechargeable 2000+ times, hold their charge for over a year, and don't degrade very much. Eventually all of your devices will have eneloops in them and you will stop buying batteries altogeher.

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Although Li-Ion cells are getting cheaper and cheaper every year, it still is worth salvaging the good ones from depleted laptop battery packs. When a laptop battery pack is gone it's almost always the case of one, max two, 18650 elements that failed, not the whole pack. I've built some good power banks using empty shells (very cheap on Ebay, Aliexpress etc.) and fitting inside the good cells salvaged that way. They…

Does this require special knowledge and experience? I would be afraid to try it myself as I suspect that I or my devices would be harmed, either in the process or later on.
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