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Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by Joeri »

lnl wrote: post #129

While I am happy that Notepad++ added a dark mode, I am frustrated that Microsoft forced Notepad++ (and all Windows programs) to add hacky workarounds for a dark mode. Notepad++ already obeys the Windows system colors, and I have been using it in dark mode by changing Windows colors. Microsoft, presumably to sabotage classical programs and to push modern UWP apps, no longer allows changing system colors. There is a W…

I have a friend who maintains the gui components of a 25 year old windows application suite continuously developed using delphi. The stories he has told me of the epic battles to achieve multimonitor, high dpi, font scaling, theme and dark mode support on a legacy codebase are both impressive and depressing.

It is software like that which keeps windows entrenched in enterprise, but microsoft seemingly cannot be bothered to care.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by twobitshifter »

koheripbal wrote: post #111
GuB-42 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notepad++ author is using his software to push his political agenda. Although I dislike it, that's his right. If you dislike it too, there are less politicized alternatives, like PSPad. Just look at his blog https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/ lots of anti-mainland China comments as well as references to "Gilets Jaunes" (a protest movement in France), reaction to Islamic terrorism,... At some point he told that peopl…

There was one update a couple years ago that after the first time it ran, it opened a new document tab, and started typing a political message (I think it was about Snowden leaks/privacy). Watching a document open and someone seemingly remotely type in the window made me very very uncomfortable. I agree it is his right, and I even agreed with the message, but it completely discredits the tool and the developer. I hav…

> Watching a document open and someone seemingly remotely type in the window made me very very uncomfortable.

I remember this and had the same uncomfortable reaction, but because I was uncomfortable I thought it was a great way to alert people to the type of spying Snowden made public.

What you bring up is an old question for companies, should you sell typewriters to Hitler? Or should you be political? Most American companies have leaned towards selling the typewriters without the gov preventing them from doing so.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by zozbot234 »

Zarel wrote: post #86
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #29

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I had a similar thought reading that comment: "Outdated? You mean because it is lightweight, responsive, and native?"

I mean, you don't have to be uncharitable, the UI can be lightweight, responsive, and fast, but they're most likely talking about the usability aspects. The "huge row of inscrutable icons" school of design fell out of favor for good reason – while a few icons (like "Back" or "Close") can be immediately recognizable, when you get to that many, most of them are icons people haven't seen before, and people end up mostly…

> while a few icons (like "Back" or "Close") can be immediately recognizable, when you get to that many, most of them are icons people haven't seen before

You can get a description of the icons by hovering with the mouse pointer. The actual reason this style has fallen out of favor is to enable touch interfaces, which demand physically larger targets and do not generally support hover.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by tibbydudeza »

Jonnax wrote: post #139
tibbydudeza wrote: post #84

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> It's using 160mb of ram And that is acceptable for a music player ???.

Maximised on my 4k display I see 26 album arts which look high resolution. How much ram would that take decoded? There's also the song data for what's playing now and next song. You don't seem to understand what the application is doing.

Just show and play my music and not drag along the entire Chrome web browser to do that.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by unixhero »

koheripbal wrote: post #114
unixhero wrote: post #74

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Good. We have got to band together against authoritarianism.

He's against a lot of things - not just authoritarianism. Are you confident you'll remain on the "good side" of his politics forever?

I don't need to. He can mean whatever he wants. I am a user of a technology he has created. I don't care about the wild ride of politisation of everything in the States and "identity poltics"... See how far that has gotten you.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by adzm »

thrower123 wrote: post #137
adzm wrote: post #105

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There do not seem to be system colors defined for dark mode. Explorer does it via uxtheme but does not seem to expose the colors themselves. Plus it ends up being un-configurable.

Ideally, dark mode would just be an OS-wide palette switch, which is how it used to work. Probably still would, as I don't think that the guts of Windows have actually changed; you just can't get at them through the Control Panel easily like you used to do.

Since Windows XP the common controls are themed which do not support the usual color customizations which were available before then. Some still support WM_CTLCOLOR but some don't, or only do in certain situations.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by twobitshifter »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #29
jptech wrote: post #6

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The UI might look outdated, but on the other hand it's light weight and fast. There are a bunch of fancy text editors out there that are simply a resource hog.

I had a similar thought reading that comment: "Outdated? You mean because it is lightweight, responsive, and native?"

It looks native but not windows 10 native. We have a similar problem with an MFC application at work? Microsoft no longer provides MFC with the ability to update your app to use the system look and feel. The newest we can go to is “Office 2007”

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by fouric »

Jonnax wrote: post #138
fouric wrote: post #127

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> Also what does "bloated election app" mean? It means (1) high memory usage (although people are ridiculously oversensitive about this relative to CPU use) (2) long startup times (3) high ambient CPU usage and (4) a high-latency interface (on average machines - anything is snappy on a brand-new $1k M1 Macbook Air). > and it's very responsive On what CPU? Will it still be responsive on a 8-year-old Core i5 on one of…

The problem is that your 8 year old ThinkPad is less powerful than a $300 smartphone. Electron will be using GPU rendering. What kind of GPU performance does your 8 year old laptop have? Probably a minimum of 5x less performance than a smart phone.

> your 8 year old ThinkPad is less powerful than a $300 smartphone

What does "more powerful" even mean? If you mean "better single-threaded CPU performance", I absolutely don't believe you. If you mean "better multi-threaded CPU performance", I might believe you, but would need evidence.

Moreover, that's irrelevant. I, and everyone else who talks about "bloated Electron apps" (including in this thread) is almost exclusively referring to desktop applications. Why would we be talking about running Electron on a smartphone?

> Electron will be using GPU rendering.

Sure. Can you show that CPU usage will still be low? In my experience with Electron applications on a newer laptop with decent graphics (can play Dota 2), CPU usage is still 15% of a single core while literally nothing is happening.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by asddubs »

radmuzom wrote: post #41

I wish we move back to the days when most software was like utorrent, notepad++, etc. The standard response to this statement is "but today's software does so much more" - to which I don't agree. As someone who has been using computers since 1994 - including machines which did not have a hard drive - modern software is very very frustrating to use in every way I can think of.

the trick is just to use fully open source software whenever possible. btw if anyone's looking for what uTorrent used to be, check out qbittorrent.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by asddubs »

signal11 wrote: post #109
arsome wrote: post #46

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Everything is now a bloated Electron app where all the features have been deleted. Try comparing Spotify to Amarok/Foobar/Clementine. Even Firefox seems to just keep stripping out useful functionality for power users for some bizarre reason, no more full themes, limited extension APIs, poor UI customization and less advanced features like "view image", it's like they're trying to alienate their most dedicated fanbase…

> Everything is now a bloated Electron app where all the features have been deleted Good cross-platform UI is hard, and web technology is seen as an "easy" way out because you can hire plenty of resources and yes -- it does seem silly to reinvent the wheel when HTML/CSS have implemented something already. Electron is basically the Java Applets/AWT/Swing of our time, because it lets teams prioritize features and deliv…

if you miss the old nautilus, just install caja, the MATE fork of it from before they mucked it up. That's the nice thing about open source.
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