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Re: ST3000DM001

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Post by dragontamer »

cosmin800 wrote: post #189

I don't know why anyone bothers to buy anything else than WD, seagate is making bad products for at least 10 years if not 15. Barracuda 7200.11 anyone? That was 12 years ago,I got a pair of Ironwolf 10TB, they failed in 6 months. How many seagates I saw failing? All - 30 - 50 God knows how many exactly. I have 10 years old WDs still running, actual powered on 6 years or so. I don't know why people are buying the same…

After the WD / Hitachi merger, there was an anti-trust case and WD was forced to sell some assets to Toshiba.

Toshiba took on a huge portion of Hitachi's former business, and seems to have a solid business. Backblaze doesn't buy Toshiba because the sticker is in the wrong location (and Toshiba doesn't want to move the sticker), but otherwise... their Toshiba tests look pretty good.

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Post by wazoox »

The 1TB Barracuda ES.2 was hardly better. Around 2009-2010, I've set up 3000 of them. 1800 had to be replaced under warranty.

After that we switched to HGST and never looked back. For the thousands of Helium HGST/WD drives I've set up since 2014, I had to replace only a handful of them overall. In fact my support account generally needs a password reset because it's been sitting unused for 1 year straight... Contrast that with the awful time when I was spending half my days replacing Seagate drives, and the other half asking for RMAs...

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Post by qualudeheart »

einpoklum wrote: post #150
qualudeheart wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s cute

Perhaps that's because you know the model number? When people browse the list of titles on the front mpage, they should know what the story is about. So, in this case, something like: "ST3000DM001 - A disk model number that would live in infamy" or: "Seagate's infamous ST3000DM001" etc.

There’s this aura of mystery and adventure to it.

Who knows what it could be?

It sounds like one of those sci fi wall-e tier robots.

Re: ST3000DM001

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Post by CPLX »

loeg wrote: post #200
sbarre wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked at an ISP in 1996, where we would buy external Boca 28.8k modems in bulk from retailers and take the boards out to put them in our racks because they were cheaper - yet identical - to the "ISP-grade" versions that Boca sold as just boards. Back then we referred to it as shucking the modems, so it's definitely not a new term in IT/computing (never mind the actual origin of the word).

The verb comes from shucking (taking the husk off) corn.

And/or oysters.

Re: ST3000DM001

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Post by sbarre »

loeg wrote: post #200
sbarre wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked at an ISP in 1996, where we would buy external Boca 28.8k modems in bulk from retailers and take the boards out to put them in our racks because they were cheaper - yet identical - to the "ISP-grade" versions that Boca sold as just boards. Back then we referred to it as shucking the modems, so it's definitely not a new term in IT/computing (never mind the actual origin of the word).

The verb comes from shucking (taking the husk off) corn.

Yes I know..

Hence my final comment about the origin of the word pre-dating IT/technology.

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Post by rasz »

batmaniam wrote: post #25

I remember this fiasco. There was a class action lawsuit that was filed. I got curious as to what happened with that, and it turns out... nothing. From the wiki: > On June 15, 2018, Judge Joseph Spero ruled that the class action plaintiffs must separate into multiple classes, as there was too much variability in failure rates to combine all claims a single class. In 2019, the plaintiffs were denied class certificatio…

Fujitsu not being US corporation didnt get so lucky. Their 2005 annual report listed HDD litigation-related expenses at 10,220 mil yen = ~$100mil

Mmmm Fujitsu, the sweet sweet smell of conifer forest. The flux they used on those drives smelled amazing!

I worked at European Fujitsu distributor in late nineties. Absolutely the best non IBM(1) hard drives you could buy at the time. Cheap, fast, dead silent, super reliable. Then this happened:

https://www.theregister.com/2002/11/05/fujitsu_admits_4_9_mi...

https://www.dataclinic.co.uk/fujitsu-hard-disk-recovery/

“blame was laid on the supplier of epoxy mould compound used in the manufacture of Cirrus’ Himalaya 2.0 and Numbur chips”

Symptoms were drive not being detected, reporting as garbage corrupted strings, not spinning up or even clicking. The irony is they are 100% perfect mechanically. Btw I read somewhere swapping pcbs without making sure they have same firmware rev on board might result in service area corruption requiring actual specialist knowledge to recover (or running premade script in PC3000).

(1) and we all know how IBM Deskstars turned out ;-( Amazing and fast drives, until the sad conclusion.

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Post by FooHentai »

csharptwdec19 wrote: post #149
grp000 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not familiar with data center tools or terminology. What is a tazer in this context?

I would assume it had a purpose similar to an EtherKiller [0]. Most experienced Shop techs have at least a couple of similar tools to assist with recalcitrant RMA departments. Unless it's a Creative labs product. You'll never RMA one of those. Ever. [0] - http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/

In the early 2000s I 'successfully' RMAd a Creative Labs Nomad Muvo MP3 player. The replacement was a different color, capacity, and had someone else's music on it.

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Post by kstrauser »

cosmin800 wrote: post #189

I don't know why anyone bothers to buy anything else than WD, seagate is making bad products for at least 10 years if not 15. Barracuda 7200.11 anyone? That was 12 years ago,I got a pair of Ironwolf 10TB, they failed in 6 months. How many seagates I saw failing? All - 30 - 50 God knows how many exactly. I have 10 years old WDs still running, actual powered on 6 years or so. I don't know why people are buying the same…

WD is temporarily dead to me after their shenanigans of selling Red drives that are SMR, which in my opinion is flat-out fraudulent. When WD pledges to stop selling SMR drives to NAS customers, I'll reconsider using them again.

A Seagate may (or may not! see Backblaze stats) die sooner than a WD drive, but at least it's fit for purpose until then.

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Post by fullstop »

juliansimioni wrote: post #196

Does anyone remember the DeskStar aka DeathStar drives? I had to look it up but apparently that was around 2001. As I recall that pretty much killed the IBM brand when it came to hard drives. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deskstar

I had one that came in in a Macintosh G4 tower, and it died suddenly with a lot of photos that I wanted to save. I put the drive in the freezer in a plastic bag for about an hour and was able to boot the OS long enough to burn a DVD with the files that I wished to save.

I'm much better about backing data up regularly now.

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