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post #114

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All I have seen is not having rotational vibration sensors. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/seagate-hdd-failure-lawsui... > The Seagate 3 TB models failed at a higher rate than other drives during the Backblaze deployment, but in fairness, the Seagate drives were the only models that did not feature RV (Rotational Vibration) sensors that counteract excessive vibration in heavy usage models -- specifically because S…

Do drives in this type of stationary assembly (i.e. a server rack or a stationary PC) ever trigger their vibration protection? Barring of course during a bit of bumping in the server rack. I mean, these drives are not sitting in laptops. I have a hard time thinking the lack of this feature bears any weight on the huge failure rates Backblaze and discrete customers saw, though I'd accept the argument if there was a 2.…

Apparently, yeah. Here's the classic video on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4

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I would love to know what the specific physical difference is with Seagate drives in general that makes them less reliable compared to WD, toshiba, etc.

Nobody ever seems to describe that other than saying vaguely that they use cheaper parts.

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Back in the mid 90s I was working in IT at a midsized company. We used Compaq desktops (this is the Pentium Pro timeframe). The HD in the system where quantum fireball (IIRC). They failed at an amazing rate all in the first 3 months (30%). We called Compaq at one point and said, look we want replacement drives for all of our remaining systems. After much back and forth (stupid on their part as we had 1000+ machines o…

I worked tech support for a large desktop line. This was around 96 and pentium 133 days. We had a large batch of HD's that would fail. Funny thing is, a nice slap on the side of the tower would get them working again. Many times the customer would be satisfied with the solution, but I had to keep them on the line so I could get them a replacement. Can't remember which manufacture the HD's were, but rumor was that a truck broke down in the desert and it degraded the grease inside. So, they would work for a while but then lock up if drive stayed off for a while.

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post #75

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Sibling comments have answered this correctly, but I like to imagine it was there as a threat to the Compaq visitors, like one might leave a loaded gun in a visible spot to facilitate negotiation.

BOFH and PFY tactics :)

Good reference. My first coding teacher made us read all the early BOFH stories while learning Unix and Java. Really brought that shit to life, thanks Jonathan.

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post #44

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I'm not familiar with data center tools or terminology. What is a tazer in this context?

I would assume it had a purpose similar to an EtherKiller [0]. Most experienced Shop techs have at least a couple of similar tools to assist with recalcitrant RMA departments. Unless it's a Creative labs product. You'll never RMA one of those. Ever. [0] - http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/

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post #99

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The plausibility of a conspiracy theory diminishes as the number of people necessary to keep the secret increases. How many people work in Thailand's hard drive manufacturing plants? Hundreds? Thousands? How many people in the logistics channels? How many people are vending food to these employees? How many people in the US Government? Oh, and pulling this off would also require co-ordination with Thai Government. Th…

At the time it was kind of an open secret in the industry. The floods were a convenient explanation, but a very large order from a client with a confidentiality clause ( very common in the industry) was widely known to be the main reason for short supply. It is possible that this client was someone else other than the NAS er... NSA but it is not very likely and at the time it was conventional wisdom among insiders th…

>At the time it was kind of an open secret in the industry.

So is there any 'open secret in the industry' about the current chip shortage, that I'm unaware of?

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I don't know why anyone bothers to buy anything else than WD, seagate is making bad products for at least 10 years if not 15. Barracuda 7200.11 anyone? That was 12 years ago,I got a pair of Ironwolf 10TB, they failed in 6 months. How many seagates I saw failing? All - 30 - 50 God knows how many exactly. I have 10 years old WDs still running, actual powered on 6 years or so. I don't know why people are buying the same…

We buy a lot of seagate drives .... over the past few years in the 8, 10, 12 and now 16 tb capacities.

I have never put any stock in this Ford vs. Chevy argument with hard drive manufacturers. Any of them are One model away from having a deathstar.

We proof the drives fairly extensively and burn them in for long periods before deploying them. That has Worked out well.

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post #79

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Back in the day, my employer sold "disk cartridges", which were 24"diameter magnetic-coated aluminium disks in a plastic case. Head crashes were fairly common,, and made a horrible noise. We'd open the case of a crashed cartridge, extract the platter, and hang it on the wall; the crash would produce a rather spectacular sunburst pattern in the magnetic coating.

Cool! Does anyone have a picture of this? I always thought hard disk platters looked especially cool compared to other storage media like floppies or CDs or flash stuff.

I did a hunt; I didn't find one. But I found an article about that kind of disk drive; it's 14", not 24", apparently.

So I submitted the article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27423640

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