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Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by conradfr »

pulse7 wrote: post #47
zuhsetaqi wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give a few examples? I’m not using computers that long and don’t know in which way modern software is so frustrating.

Back in 90s there was a well defined menubar with all functions. Today you don't know where the functions are hidden - they may be everywhere on the screen, hidden behind visible or even unvisible graphical elements... This may be frustrating...

You're downvoted but kinda right.

Case in point, I often use the F10 shortcut to use the old school menu on Firefox because I find it quicker and simpler than the other menu.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by galangalalgol »

pulse7 wrote: post #47
zuhsetaqi wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give a few examples? I’m not using computers that long and don’t know in which way modern software is so frustrating.

Back in 90s there was a well defined menubar with all functions. Today you don't know where the functions are hidden - they may be everywhere on the screen, hidden behind visible or even unvisible graphical elements... This may be frustrating...

Luckily they left all the keyboard combos the same. Even the ones that were navigating the menu bar. I never noticed the change, other than the slowdown...

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by contravariant »

radmuzom wrote: post #41

I wish we move back to the days when most software was like utorrent, notepad++, etc. The standard response to this statement is "but today's software does so much more" - to which I don't agree. As someone who has been using computers since 1994 - including machines which did not have a hard drive - modern software is very very frustrating to use in every way I can think of.

When utorrent came out it was considered a major improvement over its bloated competitors. Bloated software has existed as far back as it reasonably could exist. Consider for example Niklaus Wirth's "A Plea for Lean Software" [1] written in 1995 (for a recent discussion on HN see [2]).

[1]: https://people.inf.ethz.ch/wirth/Articles/LeanSoftware.pdf [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24059704

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by nebulous1 »

chrisan wrote: post #51
radmuzom wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can give you one to illustrate the point I am trying to make. When I first started working in 2005, we used to use Excel 2003. My first company gave me a modest desktop with 512MB RAM and old processor. Right clicking on a cell to format it, change font, etc. used to take few milliseconds at most and the window used to appear immediately after the click. Today I have a 16GB machine at work - doing the same operatio…

I'm sorry, but something is either up with your computer or the excel sheet you are currently using would be infinitely slower on that old 2005 machine. I've been using computers since Apple IIe and am much happier with things today than versions of the past. There are certainly hiccups along the way, but no way am I going to trade what I have today for what I used in 80s/90s.

I still haven't got over the ribbon. That said I don't use MS office so I haven't spent time trying to get used to it, just when I'm helping somebody out

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by conradfr »

jptech wrote: post #6
arkitaip wrote: post #3

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One thing I think N++ could do better is plugin support. The current UI feels very outdated and overall plugins lack the community that, say, Visual Studio Code has.

The UI might look outdated, but on the other hand it's light weight and fast. There are a bunch of fancy text editors out there that are simply a resource hog.

Well they updated the icons, now they're more modern but worse ;) (but resizable)

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by izacus »

arsome wrote: post #46
zuhsetaqi wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give a few examples? I’m not using computers that long and don’t know in which way modern software is so frustrating.

Everything is now a bloated Electron app where all the features have been deleted. Try comparing Spotify to Amarok/Foobar/Clementine. Even Firefox seems to just keep stripping out useful functionality for power users for some bizarre reason, no more full themes, limited extension APIs, poor UI customization and less advanced features like "view image", it's like they're trying to alienate their most dedicated fanbase…

Heck, most UI elements aren't even resizable. A standard feature of "obsolete old" UIs is now nowhere to be found as I wrestle trying to fit all the text into sidebars.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by Grumbledour »

Jonnax wrote: post #49
arsome wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything is now a bloated Electron app where all the features have been deleted. Try comparing Spotify to Amarok/Foobar/Clementine. Even Firefox seems to just keep stripping out useful functionality for power users for some bizarre reason, no more full themes, limited extension APIs, poor UI customization and less advanced features like "view image", it's like they're trying to alienate their most dedicated fanbase…

Spotify is a music streaming service. These other apps are for curating your own audio files. Also what does "bloated election app" mean? Because it seems like it's just a meme at this point. I'm using the desktop app right now. It's using 160mb of ram and it's very responsive. Teams is just a bad application. A lot of shitty "enterprise" software is written in Java. If I started saying Java = Bad software. I'm sure…

Since we are talking notepad++, it takes up 11mb of disk space, the instance I have open here with 45 documents takes up 6.6mb of memory.

Winamp was already mentioned in another comment. While 160mb is "fine" on 16gb systems, it's still much more than similar apps used to take up and will not be much fun on a 4gb system, which is what many not so technical people still use daily.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by pityJuke »

Jonnax wrote: post #49
arsome wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything is now a bloated Electron app where all the features have been deleted. Try comparing Spotify to Amarok/Foobar/Clementine. Even Firefox seems to just keep stripping out useful functionality for power users for some bizarre reason, no more full themes, limited extension APIs, poor UI customization and less advanced features like "view image", it's like they're trying to alienate their most dedicated fanbase…

Spotify is a music streaming service. These other apps are for curating your own audio files. Also what does "bloated election app" mean? Because it seems like it's just a meme at this point. I'm using the desktop app right now. It's using 160mb of ram and it's very responsive. Teams is just a bad application. A lot of shitty "enterprise" software is written in Java. If I started saying Java = Bad software. I'm sure…

> Spotify is a music streaming service.

That being said, I stream Spotify music through foobar using an external plugin, mainly because it is so light. Yeah, it isn't perfect, but if there was a demand for a light app, it is perfectly possible.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by radmuzom »

Dort wrote: post #56
radmuzom wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can give you one to illustrate the point I am trying to make. When I first started working in 2005, we used to use Excel 2003. My first company gave me a modest desktop with 512MB RAM and old processor. Right clicking on a cell to format it, change font, etc. used to take few milliseconds at most and the window used to appear immediately after the click. Today I have a 16GB machine at work - doing the same operatio…

I assume you are not using Excel 2003 on your 16GB machine. May I ask which version of MS Office you are using? If I have to believe this[1] thread, then Office 365 is now an Electron app, which would explain the slowness. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17300893

I am using Office 2016 Professional (Microsoft does give it away at dirt cheap prices to many corporate employees). Desktop version installed using an .exe.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by yoz-y »

Nerwesta wrote: post #55
arsome wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything is now a bloated Electron app where all the features have been deleted. Try comparing Spotify to Amarok/Foobar/Clementine. Even Firefox seems to just keep stripping out useful functionality for power users for some bizarre reason, no more full themes, limited extension APIs, poor UI customization and less advanced features like "view image", it's like they're trying to alienate their most dedicated fanbase…

Damn Amarok is so good, the Windows app pale in comparison to this. I had a blast while I first installed my Kubuntu machine.

Amarok 1.4 was so good that I switched to linux for it, even bought a t-shirt. Amarok 2 was what made me leave. I've toyed a bit with quodlibet and clementine, but for me 1.4 was the peak music player.
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