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Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by lotsofpulp »

MikeUt wrote: post #4

> Equipment manufacturers collect lots and lots of data about soil, weather, yields, and other factors, which they can then share with or sell to “affiliates and suppliers.” So a company selling seeds (with a no-reselling clause in their contracts) could buy that information, make a good guess at a farmer's profit margin, and individually adjust their pricing to the maximum that each farmer would be willing to pay. Y…

> Yet another way in which big players can abuse information asymmetry.

Solution here is to not allow for the asymmetry. So much of society’s ills are caused by incentives to keep information asymmetric, so that market participants cannot make optimal (to all) informed decisions.

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by tim333 »

dncornholio wrote: post #33

I mean, if two of the biggest companies of the world, Apple and Tesla can get away with it, why not the rest of the markets? This trend needs to stop. I cannot fathom how anyone thought preventing farmers, FARMERS for crying out loud, the people who grow our goddamn food, from repairing their equipment is way, way beyond me..

Apple's not that bad really. Typed from an 8 year old Apple with replaced battery, ssd and keyboard.

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by Proven »

Wut???

They've always had the right to do whatever they want with their property.

They don't have the right to ask the manufacturer to honor service and warranty agreement IF they messed with the parts or performed unsupported field repairs.

How many more junk articles do we have to read before this sinks in???

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by tehaugmenter »

buro9 wrote: post #37

No-one wants to sell hardware any longer, it's not as profitable as providing it on a subscription (dare we say "rent") and forcing all support, maintenance and additions to go through your channels as part of the subscription package. Unfortunately this trend is everywhere now. It happened to servers, media, has started to happen to cars... but it's happened already to agricultural hardware. Super profitable if you…

I mean you vote with your dollar. Stop supporting these bad practices. I don't, it's a hull to get everyone to stop and force themselves to work around. Maybe it's a losing battle, but stop giving them money and we'll be better off. I would not purchase a product with an underlying subscription. I even go as far as getting older cars so I don't have to worry about it.

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

dncornholio wrote: post #33

I mean, if two of the biggest companies of the world, Apple and Tesla can get away with it, why not the rest of the markets? This trend needs to stop. I cannot fathom how anyone thought preventing farmers, FARMERS for crying out loud, the people who grow our goddamn food, from repairing their equipment is way, way beyond me..

The problem with modern large farmers is the same as with richer tesla owners... you buy a car/tractor with 5y warranty, you service it at a dealer (to keep your warranty), and after 5y, you trade it in for a new one. It's same as with most other devices like that.. even a mercedes... who cares about data/plans/parts/... for a 3yo mercedes? ..it's under warranty, so they'll deal with it. Same with phones... new phone has a warranty, sometimes even insurance

The problem becomes real when your tesla/tractor/mercedes/phone is 10yo (phone a bit less) and available for cheap on the second hand market... it's not under warranty anymore, financially it's not worth it to have a dealer fix it, if you can do it yourself, but you're unable to do so, because you don't have the schematics and/or parts available.

So, the large industrial farmers don't really care... it's the "little guys" who get fscked by companies like JD/tesla/apple,...

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by sokoloff »

hackbinary wrote: post #88

Farmers do not want to pay for anything. My dealings with people in the farming community is that completely devalue everything around as a négociation tactic. They do not want to pay anymore than they have to for anything. In general, I don't work for or with them anymore because of the horrible way I have been treated by them. (bit generalised, but I spend 10 years working in the community) JD is moving to a Tracto…

Most people don’t want to pay more than they have to for things. This phenomenon often intensifies when talking about major inputs to their business.

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by simion314 »

tim333 wrote: post #92
dncornholio wrote: post #33

I mean, if two of the biggest companies of the world, Apple and Tesla can get away with it, why not the rest of the markets? This trend needs to stop. I cannot fathom how anyone thought preventing farmers, FARMERS for crying out loud, the people who grow our goddamn food, from repairing their equipment is way, way beyond me..

Apple's not that bad really. Typed from an 8 year old Apple with replaced battery, ssd and keyboard.

But can you have it replaced for cheap on a new model? Nobody said that you can't pay Apple a big amount of money so they fix your stuff, the issue is that in newer devices it is getting harder to repair the devices using an independent service(not everyone has the money or lives near an Apple store).

Apple can just not fuck with this independent people, let them have access to the same repair documentation and parts their own people have access.

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

petewailes wrote: post #81
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont think "just import them" covers the difficulties a lone farmer would have in transport, customs, language barrier and maintenance of a fairly random piece of equipment across an ocean that is also critical for their primary source of income. And imagine you have a warranty dispute or similar

Belarus are already imported into the US, as I recall.

Oh, i didnt realise that

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by checkyoursudo »

hackbinary wrote: post #88

Farmers do not want to pay for anything. My dealings with people in the farming community is that completely devalue everything around as a négociation tactic. They do not want to pay anymore than they have to for anything. In general, I don't work for or with them anymore because of the horrible way I have been treated by them. (bit generalised, but I spend 10 years working in the community) JD is moving to a Tracto…

> They do not want to pay anymore than they have to for anything.

Who wants to pay more than they have to? I usually want to pay even less than I have to.

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by sokoloff »

theshrike79 wrote: post #36
sackerhews wrote: post #6

Making something that only you can repair can be quite a lucrative business. This documentary is quite interesting: McDonalds Ice Cream Machines Are Always Broken: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrDEtSlqJC4

A similar thing is happening with EVs. Many car dealers don't make their money from selling cars, they make most of their money from being the only authorized repair shop for said car model. And to keep the warranty valid, you need to service the car at an authorized shop. EVs, by design, don't require as much maintenance or as often as ICE cars. This will result in a disruption in the existing chain at some point. W…

> And to keep the warranty valid, you need to service the car at an authorized shop.

Magnusson-Moss repudiates this for US consumers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act

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