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Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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Like many comments are saying, policing these even more is not an easy challenge, so to say “don’t trust Apple” isn’t really the right attitude IMO.

But… what I think would be nice to see from Apple is better visibility into those ratings and reviews so users have more to go on than a single number.

Will that alone prevent these from happening? probably not, but this isn’t a fight that can be won with a single battle/weapon.

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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Yes, except this scam app was free. Apple earned 30% of $0.

Nopes, they also earn $99 / year - https://developer.apple.com/support/purchase-activation/ ...

Of course, but I was responding to the specific claim that Apple "gets 30% for it."

Arguing about the $99/year developer fee is a pointless rabbit hole. You might as well also accuse Apple of selling the developers an iPhone and a Mac for developing the scam app. And then don't forget to accuse the electrical grid operator of selling electricity to the scammers.

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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I got scammed too. I got an app for $14/week for some LG / Samsung screen sharing. We were in hotel and I wanted to stream something to TV in the hotel room so I quickly downloaded it. Wine did not help :( The app was charging me for one month. But then it disappeared from the store. One problem is this weekly schedule: people do not check cc statements on weekly schedule. Also they should sent an iMessage a couple o…

> also they should sent an iMessage a couple of days before the change. But then users might disable the auto-renew, and Apple wouldn't get their cut.

Apple auto tell you if you delete an app with a subscription that there’s a subscription on this and allows you to end it right there.

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Why aren't you afraid today? Their gatekeeping is clearly useless.

Something does not have to be perfect to be useful; a filter that throws out 50% or 90% of malicious trash is very useful even if a lot of malicious trash gets through. The appropriate metric for safety of an app store is not whether you can get attacked, but rather how many users - proportional to all users - get attacked every year.

This filter is useless and misleading. Compare to F-Droid or GNU/Linux repositories.

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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Why aren't you afraid today? Their gatekeeping is clearly useless.

Something does not have to be perfect to be useful; a filter that throws out 50% or 90% of malicious trash is very useful even if a lot of malicious trash gets through. The appropriate metric for safety of an app store is not whether you can get attacked, but rather how many users - proportional to all users - get attacked every year.

I've been using Linux for at least 10 years and I have never received malicious software from distribution repositories. For some reason, malware just doesn't make it into the repositories.

Apple's filters are clearly garbage.

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That sounds like it really should be a web page.

Web pages require an Internet connection to access, an app doesn't.

This isn't true. Websites can cache themselves for offline use.

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Yes and likewise, car manufacturers should remove seatbelts and airbags. They simply encourage reckless driving, and by giving the false sense of security / assuming the gatekeeper role, they should be liable for any accident.

Weird, I can flash whatever code I want to on my car's ECU. There's even an entire subculture dedicated to modding ECU firmware.

You absolutely cannot, unless you have an open ECU to begin with. Typically this is only sporty type cheap cars (evo, wrx). But even if you were to take on such and endeavor the difficulty of such a task and the knowledge requirement will scare off the unexperienced

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Punishing companies for adding protections to their products is an insanely backwards incentive. May as well turn off sandboxing, and lock screens. If they ever break, it’d be a liability!

Nah. If you're gonna set yourself up as the ultimate arbiter of what I can run on my device, you are absolutely to blame for any harm that comes as a result. Protections? Encryption is protection. Address space randomization is protection. This Apple review process? This is just humans failing to do what's expected of them. Also known as negligence.

there’s a lot of faulting apple here, when you point out it’s a “humans failing”. Does this mean you understand the process completely and you can do better?

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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Something does not have to be perfect to be useful; a filter that throws out 50% or 90% of malicious trash is very useful even if a lot of malicious trash gets through. The appropriate metric for safety of an app store is not whether you can get attacked, but rather how many users - proportional to all users - get attacked every year.

I've been using Linux for at least 10 years and I have never received malicious software from distribution repositories. For some reason, malware just doesn't make it into the repositories. Apple's filters are clearly garbage.

This is called market penetration. Look around, how many linux “desktop” users do you see? Who would you rather own, a few hundred million devices or a few 10 thousand?

Using linux as an example here doesn’t work.

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