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Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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The article's premise does not make sense. This stuff happens despite the tight control, not because of it. If it was uncurated, it would be a cesspool like the Google play store (or ...shudder... the "competing" stores). Having a paid app that reads QR codes is not necessarily a scam. The article admits that 2/3 of the apps they reported were taken down. The article claims: "If consumers were to have access to alter…

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Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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This discussion is definitely about Apple's monopoly on Ios app distribution. If Apple were to let others distribute apps on the platform, people wouldn't complain as much about their broken store. They'd just use the store that they liked better.

Soooooo by opening up the store the scammers would disappear. Makes sense to me.

That is not what the parent said. If there were more stores, then there would be more consumer options to choose a more trustworthy store from (like F-droid).

Of course, that wouldn't be good for Apple: Apple would inevitably have to throw out some of the legit apps in the course of QA and weather more criticism; Apple would lose that revenue and their vig; and Apple would no longer have as many apps in the app store.

Like Amazon, Apple has demonstrated that they prefer that some of their customers get fleeced, as long as they get their cut.

"1 million apps and untold billions in revenue, but only 2% of the top apps are scammy... you can figure out which ones, because we didn't bother.."

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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> I also think it would open a whole can of worms Absolutely. Apple should be afraid of holding the gatekeeper position. Anyone should. When people can install and use whatever they want, safety becomes their responsibility. They should open up their platform and let people do their own due dilligence. If they assume that responsibility and then neglect it, they absolutely can and should be blamed for any problems.

Yes and likewise, car manufacturers should remove seatbelts and airbags. They simply encourage reckless driving, and by giving the false sense of security / assuming the gatekeeper role, they should be liable for any accident.

Car manufacturers are going to face the liability issues when they try to sell "self driving" cars. Volvo has for example ack'ed this in public years ago.

https://www.theverge.com/2015/10/7/9470551/volvo-self-drivin...

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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The Apple review process is not in any way equivalent or even similar to seat belts and airbags. Not even the government can be fully blamed for bad drivers since people don't actually need a driver's license in order to drive.

Punishing companies for adding protections to their products is an insanely backwards incentive. May as well turn off sandboxing, and lock screens. If they ever break, it’d be a liability!

Nah. If you're gonna set yourself up as the ultimate arbiter of what I can run on my device, you are absolutely to blame for any harm that comes as a result.

Protections? Encryption is protection. Address space randomization is protection. This Apple review process? This is just humans failing to do what's expected of them. Also known as negligence.

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

#185
post #2

The worst thing is, people have this belief that Apple is somehow protecting them, so they offload the critical thinking to Apple and lower their own guards. For example, a person thought he was getting a legitimate Bitcoin wallet app, but turns out it was a fake and he lost his life savings [1]. edit: to be clear, I'm not blaming Apple for not stopping these scams, at their scale, it's just practically impossible to…

I have sympathy for the person in this story, but I think shifting the blame to Apple in this case is ludicrous. I'm still somewhat shaking my head that someone went through all of the trouble of using a hardware wallet, and then entered his key words into the first app he downloaded. If anything I think this story is just a prime example of why irreversible crypto transactions are an absolute nightmare for the gener…

I think it's reasonable for people to expect Apple to have a higher standard of review for financial apps (including bitcoin) vs utility apps.

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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The worst thing is, people have this belief that Apple is somehow protecting them, so they offload the critical thinking to Apple and lower their own guards. For example, a person thought he was getting a legitimate Bitcoin wallet app, but turns out it was a fake and he lost his life savings [1]. edit: to be clear, I'm not blaming Apple for not stopping these scams, at their scale, it's just practically impossible to…

> I'm not blaming Apple for not stopping these scams Why not? You should blame them. They have positioned themselves as the gatekeepers. Why? To extract profit from application developers. However, such a powerful position also comes with expectations and responsibilities. They should absolutely not be allowed to get away with gross negligence. We absolutely must blame them every single time they fail to keep malicio…

Apple's 30% cut suggests to an untrained observer that for every seven hours of coding you do, they could do three hours of verifying that your app is not a scam. What happens instead is, I guess, robo-verifier spends 2 milliseconds. Ka-ching!

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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I agree, I think they should help him, but I also think it would open a whole can of worms. The fact is, no matter how much time/energy/effort they spend, they will never eliminate all scams, scams would just become more and more sophisticated. This doesn't mean, they should just give up, but having been through the review process, they are already doing quite a bit. So that would mean, they will make it much harder…

> I also think it would open a whole can of worms Absolutely. Apple should be afraid of holding the gatekeeper position. Anyone should. When people can install and use whatever they want, safety becomes their responsibility. They should open up their platform and let people do their own due dilligence. If they assume that responsibility and then neglect it, they absolutely can and should be blamed for any problems.

If Apple gave up the gatekeeping position, I would be afraid to use my phone for the things I do today.

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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Because Trezor doesn't control the iOS app store?

What purpose does a hardware wallet serve? What security does it offer?

It provides an electronic and secure mechanism to store your private keys and sign transactions, while retaining confidence that your private keys will not be compromised while using the device. Think of it like a YubiKey. It’s not all that different.

It also enables you to export those private keys so that you can keep a backup in the event of a hardware failure, because all hardware eventually fails.

It doesn’t lock you into their platform / ecosystem exclusively. It doesn’t prevent you from using that backup elsewhere.

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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post #45

> Simon Willison, a software engineer and a former iOS developer [...] owns a Samsung television and went to the App Store on his phone to install the accompanying Samsung remote control app called “SmartThings.” An app called “Smart Things” popped up, claiming to be a remote for Samsung televisions. Willison paid $19 for the app. It turns out the app was pretending to the be the genuine Samsung product. His mistake,…

I've met quite a number of developers that somehow barely have the skills of my grandma using a PC outside of their daily development tasks. Ive seen multiple help desk tickets back in my help desk days where developers got someone to email saying their PC was broken when it was just turned off. My point being a developer does not necessarily make this person somehow less susceptible to app store scams.

You're making some rather uncharitable assumptions here. Simon is a very skilled and accomplished developer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Willison

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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How does this stop or in any way slow the proliferation of scam apps?

It doesn't. It absolves Apple of any responsibility in the matter.

Why does anyone want to help Apple? Shouldn't we be focused on user safety?
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