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Remove left turns for less dangerous city traffic

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Re: Remove left turns for less dangerous city traffic

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Once again, a clear warning that an article is US-specific would be nice.

Agreed. Advice to "avoid left turns " is not directly applicable to "drive on the left" countries.

It does closely enough, here it would just translate to ‘avoid right turns’ or ‘avoid turns across opposing traffic’.

Re: Remove left turns for less dangerous city traffic

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>Extra time: +5 minutes to walk why does removing left turns make it longer to walk? Can pedestrians even make "left" turns?

A lot of times when they pull left turns it means they’re pulling out the stoplights, putting barriers of some kind down the middle and you can’t cross at that spot at all anymore on foot or in a car. If you have to park on the opposite side of the street from where you’re going you may be walking blocks just to cross. Sure you could try jaywalking but that’s probably not a bright move in a lot of cities. I’ll be hon…

I think the downvotes are probably because none of what you write makes sense in the "old European city" the ancestor comment suggested.

Although the article is about America, so shrug

Re: Remove left turns for less dangerous city traffic

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In my town you have largely 4 options: - walk - drive - take a bus/tram - bike Walking is too slow and cumbersome for most people (e.g. 6-8 km one way to work seems like too much to do every day), and impossible if you want to go shopping anywhere except on your way to work. Public transport is really slow and not as flexible as you want (many places without good connections, wait times 15-20 minutes, transit times 2…

Biking is not that susceptible to weather imho. When it rains you can wear a rain coat and rain trousers. When it's cold you can wear any outdoor jacket (gore tex is great even if maybe not healthy). When it snows you have to work a bit harder. When there is ice you can use tires with spikes for great grip. The worst is hot weather, since you can only shed so much clothing. An ebike helps here, but that reduces the h…

Sure if you are super motivated you can bike in any weather. But for 95% of people they will only be willing to bike if it is nice out.

The average person is not going to go out and buy a fat bike or spiked tires for the winter. And they probably shouldn't, biking in winter is dangerous if you don't know what you are doing. And sure I could wear a full rain suite and bike in the rain, but that is far less convenient than just driving and wearing a light jacket. So sure it is possible to bike in all weather, in the same way that it is possible to walk 5k, just no one wants to.

Re: Remove left turns for less dangerous city traffic

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While I don't know of the safety impact of removing left turns, the actual trip time impact in a busy city is severely understated. In my city (700k people), an old European town, city center has seen the removal of a few key left turns in the past few years. Consequences for traffic outside city center: probably none. Consequences if you want to drive from within the city center to the outside (e.g. go back from a s…

> if you want to drive from within the city center to the outside (e.g. go back from a shopping mall / restaurant / business meeting)

But I don't know if being able to do this is a reasonable expectation in the first place. Why do you have a car in the centre of a city? They aren't designed for cars. Live in the suburbs or countryside if you want a personal car.

Re: Remove left turns for less dangerous city traffic

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If you ban cars they will be even more dead.

Not true. Go to Leiden Netherlands and see how economically vibrant a small city can become if it incentives efficient land use and limits traffic in city centre in favour of pedestrian paths an public transit.

Nice to see my town mentioned! I hope we remove even more of the current traffic roads in the center, it is great.

Re: Remove left turns for less dangerous city traffic

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While I don't know of the safety impact of removing left turns, the actual trip time impact in a busy city is severely understated. In my city (700k people), an old European town, city center has seen the removal of a few key left turns in the past few years. Consequences for traffic outside city center: probably none. Consequences if you want to drive from within the city center to the outside (e.g. go back from a s…

> almost as bad as walking

What's bad about walking? It's good for your health, good for the economy, good for the environment.

Re: Remove left turns for less dangerous city traffic

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That’s not as true as it used to be, but I don’t disagree with the wider point.

I agree it’s improving from the 90s, but when I go back to the Midwest from Western Europe, the difference is dramatic simply in the number of people downtown in public spaces for cites with the same population.

That’s an extreme comparison! I bet only a few US cities would approach what you see in Berlin or Paris.
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