3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California • Hacker News Board

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by marvin » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 6:55 PM UTC

throwaway803453 wrote: post #95

fnord77 wrote: post #23

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people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

My last girlfriend picked me up in San Diego and we drove 6 hours to Tucson after we had been apart for about a month. During the drive with her two dogs she told me while I was away there was an incident where her dog mauled a smaller dog and then bit the owner's face when she bent over to rescue her small dog. Her take away was pride as she was smart enough to just run off with her dog implying an idiot like me wou…

Don't know about the US, but in my jurisdiction, the dog would be killed by the police if it could be proved that it had bitten a human. There's very few exceptions to these rulings.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by verall » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 6:57 PM UTC

oh_sigh wrote: post #89

blamazon wrote: post #26

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Typified in the viral ‘Central Park Birdwatching Incident.’ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_birdwatching_in...

The guy approached her, told her to put her dog on the leash, and then said something along the lines of "Put your dog on leash or I'm going to do something you're not going to like". And then he pulled dog treats out of his pocket(he doesn't have a dog, he carries them for confrontations with dog owners he gets into) and attempted to lure the dog away from her. I think, if the races were reversed, the off-leash pers…

Dude, did you watch the video? You can hear her say "I'm going to tell them that there is an african american man threatening my life."

And then she called the police...

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by anonAndOn » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 6:58 PM UTC

fnord77 wrote: post #23

mensetmanusman wrote: post #6

“ That’s contributed not only to increased drone activity, but also to more dogs and bicycles on the trails – all of which are prohibited. “We’ve seen a significant increase in dogs, particularly off-leash,” Loebl said. “That’s devastating for wildlife and this is prime nesting season. The dogs chase the birds and the birds abandon their nests.” Another problem is the development of multimillion-dollar homes on the h…

people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

Many are often also surprised that their off-leash little companion suddenly wants chase me and go for my ankle as I bicycle past. I've had a couple narrow misses by sprinting away but as I age I'm becoming more willing to properly repel an attack.

PSA: Please keep your dog away from cyclists.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by kodah » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 6:58 PM UTC

MauranKilom wrote: post #158

kodah wrote: post #147

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You have effectively picked the worst sample of dogs, and established a standard that a human being may take a life based on that standard. Dogs have tells too, and there's common ones that most dog owners will know: - ears backed with tail tucked or quick wagging - cowering / laying down (in a non-relaxed posture) - deep growls and a leg spread defensive stance And there's tells that occur far before the above. Dogs…

I still have a (fading) scar on my calf from that one time I ran past some tables in a cafe as a toddler. I hold no ill will towards the dog that leapt out from under a table and sunk his jaws into my leg before the owners could even react. But let's be clear that big dog + unfamiliar small child is not about "can you read the tells".

Sure, it doesn't always work that way. Dogs are still animals and can be unpredictable. That does not rise to the level of shooting some stray or off-leash dog. I still have puncture marks in my hand from when I dislodged a sucker from my childhood dogs throat and he bit down.

Defending yourself and being a violent person are two different things. The man who shoots any off-leash or stray dog is just violent.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by anonAndOn » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 7:00 PM UTC

marvin wrote: post #161

throwaway803453 wrote: post #95

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My last girlfriend picked me up in San Diego and we drove 6 hours to Tucson after we had been apart for about a month. During the drive with her two dogs she told me while I was away there was an incident where her dog mauled a smaller dog and then bit the owner's face when she bent over to rescue her small dog. Her take away was pride as she was smart enough to just run off with her dog implying an idiot like me wou…

Don't know about the US, but in my jurisdiction, the dog would be killed by the police if it could be proved that it had bitten a human. There's very few exceptions to these rulings.

It is the same in the US, thus why she picked up the dog and ran.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by paulcole » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 7:09 PM UTC

kodah wrote: post #147

fugfjj wrote: post #142

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Why thankfully? An unleashed dog comes up to you where its not supposed to. - What are its intentions? - Is it aggressive? - Is it rabid? Its no different than if a coyote came up and accosted you. Worse, because dogs are socialized not to fear man. My neighbor had an aggressive dog (german shepherd) and every time my kid was outside in the backyard I made sure to carry a weapon to kill it if need be. It didn't reall…

You have effectively picked the worst sample of dogs, and established a standard that a human being may take a life based on that standard. Dogs have tells too, and there's common ones that most dog owners will know: - ears backed with tail tucked or quick wagging - cowering / laying down (in a non-relaxed posture) - deep growls and a leg spread defensive stance And there's tells that occur far before the above. Dogs…

I’m not a dog owner and it’s not my responsibility to determine the friendly unleashed dogs from the unfriendly ones. In an area where a leash is required, my assumption is they’re all unfriendly and their owners are all selfish idiots.

“Leash your fucking dog” is my go-to. “Are you selfish or stupid?” works, too.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by kodah » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 7:10 PM UTC

corndoge wrote: post #159

kodah wrote: post #131

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Thankfully this is a felony in at least some states now. > My father told me a story of a man walking in a park one day when an unleashed dog walked up to him. The man took out his handgun and shot it. Not a threatening dog, just a fucking dog walking up to somebody. This is a disgusting line of thought that anyone would take a life purely based on an animal approaching you. It makes me question my involvement in a c…

> would take a life purely based on an animal approaching you Which is it, an animal or a life? The phrase "take a life" implies some sort of value akin to that of a human life. If you want to elevate animals to that level, then acknowledge that you take a life when you slap a mosquito or step on an ant, yet I doubt you apply the same moralizing to anyone else who does so. > It makes me question my involvement in a c…

> Once off leash, relative to other people it's just a dog now; the owner has effectively abdicated responsibility of ownership for the dog by letting it off the leash

Do you think it's okay to walk around and shoot strays? At least dog pounds in the US will make an attempt at a nonviolent death for a stray animal.

Let me be clear, it's not moralizing when it's ethically unsound to shoot a dog that does nothing else than walk up to you. When I chose "life" it's probably because I live with my dog. She has a personality, she has quirks, she learns from me and even teaches me things. If I saw her brains get blown out by some random dude because she walked up (and that was the framing) what am I in bounds to do? I can tell you, what I'm allowed to do would be of little consequence to me, because although that is just a dog to you, to me you took an animal that I know on a level deeper than I know most humans.

> At that point it's not "someone's dog" any more than a bird with a FWS band is "someone's bird". Consequently treating it like any other animals is acceptable.

Birds are not domesticated and we certainly treat domesticated animals differently in the context of the law and societal expectations. Dogs being the most and longest domesticated animal, whose behavior has been shaped and maintained over millions of years.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by rossdavidh » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 7:12 PM UTC

Because "3,000 eggs abandoned after dogs scare birds in California", would be a headline that gets much less attention.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by blamazon » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 7:13 PM UTC

alentist wrote: post #149

blamazon wrote: post #57

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I think we’re already past cliches and stereotypes when talking of all dog owners who walk without a leash! I’m from USA. On the same page with you here about the collectivist vs individual freedom. As you noted it’s a tragedy of the commons—-because unquestioned individual freedom is prized so heavily in USA, some dog owners take advantage of it without appropriate precaution, and those people tend to do things like…

> As you noted it’s a tragedy of the commons—-because unquestioned individual freedom is prized so heavily in USA, some dog owners take advantage of it without appropriate precaution, and those people tend to do things like call the police on black people This passage doesn't make sense. It's a word salad.

Blame the Saturday cannabis.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by oh_sigh » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 7:25 PM UTC

verall wrote: post #162

oh_sigh wrote: post #89

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The guy approached her, told her to put her dog on the leash, and then said something along the lines of "Put your dog on leash or I'm going to do something you're not going to like". And then he pulled dog treats out of his pocket(he doesn't have a dog, he carries them for confrontations with dog owners he gets into) and attempted to lure the dog away from her. I think, if the races were reversed, the off-leash pers…

Dude, did you watch the video? You can hear her say "I'm going to tell them that there is an african american man threatening my life." And then she called the police...

Yes, because that is what she thought was happening. "I'm going to do something you don't like" sure does sound like a threat to me.

She also said "a man with a bike helmet"...do you think she is especially afraid of bikers? Isn't the most reasonable reading that she is describing the man, and not scheming that she can get the cops to come out and kill this stranger who is annoying her?