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Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by Xylakant »

globular-toast wrote: post #128
acomjean wrote: post #45

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I live near a wildlife refuge. They allowed dogs on leash for many years. But fewer and fewer complied. About 5 years ago after trying all sorts of signage they banned dogs altogether. I feel bad for the small minority of dog owners who complied and kept their dogs on-leash

What's the point of walking a dog on a leash, though? Dogs need to stretch their legs. They're supposed to run around. The underlying problem is people taking in animals as pets without taking the responsibility that should be required as a dog owner.

A dog needs to run, but not all the time and in all places. Walking on a leash is a required skill unless you live in a very remote area that you never leave.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by fugfjj »

kodah wrote: post #131
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #129

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My father told me a story of a man walking in a park one day when an unleashed dog walked up to him. The man took out his handgun and shot it.

Thankfully this is a felony in at least some states now. > My father told me a story of a man walking in a park one day when an unleashed dog walked up to him. The man took out his handgun and shot it. Not a threatening dog, just a fucking dog walking up to somebody. This is a disgusting line of thought that anyone would take a life purely based on an animal approaching you. It makes me question my involvement in a c…

Why thankfully?

An unleashed dog comes up to you where its not supposed to.

- What are its intentions?

- Is it aggressive?

- Is it rabid?

Its no different than if a coyote came up and accosted you. Worse, because dogs are socialized not to fear man.

My neighbor had an aggressive dog (german shepherd) and every time my kid was outside in the backyard I made sure to carry a weapon to kill it if need be. It didn't really matter, my kid was too scared of it to play in the backyard.

I was planning on calling the city to have it destroyed but she moved out.

And for all you down voters... yes I talked to her. It was obvious talking with her where the dog got its attitude from.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by rcpt »

fnord77 wrote: post #23
mensetmanusman wrote: post #6

“ That’s contributed not only to increased drone activity, but also to more dogs and bicycles on the trails – all of which are prohibited. “We’ve seen a significant increase in dogs, particularly off-leash,” Loebl said. “That’s devastating for wildlife and this is prime nesting season. The dogs chase the birds and the birds abandon their nests.” Another problem is the development of multimillion-dollar homes on the h…

people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

It's out of control in Santa Cruz. Can't even take small kids to the local beaches without risking a mailing.

I don't know why California is so lax about this. Other states I've lived in actually enforced dog laws.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by wang_li »

TomVDB wrote: post #42
diggan wrote: post #31

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> We have no idea whether your dogs are properly trained or not I think the assumption is, at least from mine and others like me, is that if your dog is off-leash, you can handle your dog off-leash. The same if you bring friends to some social event, you wouldn't bring them if you can't handle them and they can behave in public. I'm not afraid they are gonna attack me, although sometimes humans do attack other humans…

> The same if you bring friends to some social event, you wouldn't bring them if you can't handle them and they can behave in public. No, this is not the same. You are legally responsible for the behavior of your dog.

Dogs should be treated like guns and other weapons. If a person gets a fine or jail time for shooting someone, a dog owner should get the same if their dog bites someone. If my gun would be taken away if I rubbed it in someone's crotch, then a dog should be taken away if it sticks its snout in someone's crotch. Perhaps one would say "it's not the owner's fault, the dog makes it's own decisions", well that makes it worse. my gun doesn't aim and fire itself. So maybe dogs should be regulated even more than guns.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by fugfjj »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #129
fnord77 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

My father told me a story of a man walking in a park one day when an unleashed dog walked up to him. The man took out his handgun and shot it.

A little dog once nipped my 90 year old grandpa in his porch. My grandpa responded with a swift kidney blow from his cane.

The owner looked furious but caught me staring him in the eye in time to recompose himself and get off of our front yard.

The bloody nerve. You have your dog take its daily piss on our wall - a wall that my grandma cleans, btw. The dog takes its daily piss and my grandpa decides to ignore it, but then you don’t stop the thing from nipping him?

Oh well the dog pissed blood for a week after that

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by v-yadli »

musingsole wrote: post #103
blamazon wrote: post #27

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> How is it inconsiderate if the dogs themselves are behaving? This is the problem right here. We have no idea whether your dogs are properly trained or not. There is no certification or regulation for having a dog off leash. We have no idea if they’re going to suddenly snap and, in the worst case scenario, viciously attack a baby, something they are biologically quite capable of. It is probably different in collecti…

> We have no idea whether your dogs are properly trained or not. This is interesting to me because we have no such assurances about other humans either. But acting on the fear that a given human isn't adequately trained and restrained is labeled with every variant of ignorance.

I'll probably be more confident about a dog if:

- It's well dressed instead of naked

- It walks on two feet

- It speaks English

... And vice versa.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by kodah »

fugfjj wrote: post #142
kodah wrote: post #131

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Thankfully this is a felony in at least some states now. > My father told me a story of a man walking in a park one day when an unleashed dog walked up to him. The man took out his handgun and shot it. Not a threatening dog, just a fucking dog walking up to somebody. This is a disgusting line of thought that anyone would take a life purely based on an animal approaching you. It makes me question my involvement in a c…

Why thankfully? An unleashed dog comes up to you where its not supposed to. - What are its intentions? - Is it aggressive? - Is it rabid? Its no different than if a coyote came up and accosted you. Worse, because dogs are socialized not to fear man. My neighbor had an aggressive dog (german shepherd) and every time my kid was outside in the backyard I made sure to carry a weapon to kill it if need be. It didn't reall…

You have effectively picked the worst sample of dogs, and established a standard that a human being may take a life based on that standard.

Dogs have tells too, and there's common ones that most dog owners will know:

- ears backed with tail tucked or quick wagging

- cowering / laying down (in a non-relaxed posture)

- deep growls and a leg spread defensive stance

And there's tells that occur far before the above. Dogs are domesticated animals (with millions of years of domestication, as opposed to cats), so comparing them in your head to a coyote is a false dichotomy from the get-go.

Your situation and GPs are very different. GP has specifically framed a dog that walked up to them off-leash. You are talking about having to potentially defend a child's life. There's a massive chasm between the two both legally and ethically.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by fugfjj »

brandonmenc wrote: post #114
fnord77 wrote: post #23

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people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

> they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything Or, they're the type who thinks everyone loves dogs and that you know their dog is just the sweetest thing ever. I live in Austin (which is ground zero for irresponsible dog owners) and I can't count the number of times some huge unleashed dog runs up on me out of nowhere, followed by their owner shouting "oh, he's really friendly!"

Ground zero is Buenos Aires.

Ive been to Austin. Its nice. In sure you have some very annoying dog owners.

I grew up in BsAs. The city is a sidewalk of dog shit you have to avoid stepping on.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by alentist »

blamazon wrote: post #57
smcl wrote: post #48

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Can I ask where you're from? This might be a cultural difference. I mentioned originally in another comment (then removed it as it looked a bit hostile) that this might be something more US-centric as it hasn't been a problem anywhere I've seen in Europe. I don't mean to bash the USA here, but I think there might be more "this is a free country and I can do what I want..." types over there who (if they have a dog) ar…

I think we’re already past cliches and stereotypes when talking of all dog owners who walk without a leash! I’m from USA. On the same page with you here about the collectivist vs individual freedom. As you noted it’s a tragedy of the commons—-because unquestioned individual freedom is prized so heavily in USA, some dog owners take advantage of it without appropriate precaution, and those people tend to do things like…

> As you noted it’s a tragedy of the commons—-because unquestioned individual freedom is prized so heavily in USA, some dog owners take advantage of it without appropriate precaution, and those people tend to do things like call the police on black people

This passage doesn't make sense. It's a word salad.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by adrr »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #6

“ That’s contributed not only to increased drone activity, but also to more dogs and bicycles on the trails – all of which are prohibited. “We’ve seen a significant increase in dogs, particularly off-leash,” Loebl said. “That’s devastating for wildlife and this is prime nesting season. The dogs chase the birds and the birds abandon their nests.” Another problem is the development of multimillion-dollar homes on the h…

There is a dog beach a mile down from Bolsa Chica reserve. It’s like littering when there is garbage can within sight.
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