Did the birds completely abandon the eggs, or there's still a chance they're going to come back? I didn't find it in the article.
3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California
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What's the point of walking a dog on a leash, though? Dogs need to stretch their legs. They're supposed to run around. The underlying problem is people taking in animals as pets without taking the responsibility that should be required as a dog owner.
Go buy a few private acres for that. If your dog shares public space with others you don’t get to just let it off leash.
Your wording might be a bit harsh, but I agree:
Dogs need (outdoor) space. As a dog owner you carry that responsibility.
Having a garden to (mostly) take care of this seems obvious. If not, when using public space instead, it seems strange to expect others (wildlife, kids,...) to take this for granted?
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> they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything Or, they're the type who thinks everyone loves dogs and that you know their dog is just the sweetest thing ever. I live in Austin (which is ground zero for irresponsible dog owners) and I can't count the number of times some huge unleashed dog runs up on me out of nowhere, followed by their owner shouting "oh, he's really friendly!"
Ground zero is Buenos Aires. Ive been to Austin. Its nice. In sure you have some very annoying dog owners. I grew up in BsAs. The city is a sidewalk of dog shit you have to avoid stepping on.
I’ve lived in both places. You’re totally right. Most Americans would be shocked at the level of public disruption dogs are allowed in many other places.
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#155I wouldn't discard a deliberated action it somebody wants to develop the area. They are not extinct because they live from Chile to US, so they have more than one nest area. Tern are serious migratory birds.
Elegant Terns are considered 'Near Threatened' - so they are not at imminent risk of extinction. However, the wetland - Bolsa Chica Ecological Reserve - where they live is home to other species that may not be so secure. > I wouldn't discard a deliberated action it somebody wants to develop the area. If we gradually lose all of the migration endpoints the species will eventually suffer.
>If we gradually lose all of the migration endpoints the species will eventually suffer.
Indeed. We may see the extinction of the monarch butterfly within the decade for this very reason.
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people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything
My last girlfriend picked me up in San Diego and we drove 6 hours to Tucson after we had been apart for about a month. During the drive with her two dogs she told me while I was away there was an incident where her dog mauled a smaller dog and then bit the owner's face when she bent over to rescue her small dog. Her take away was pride as she was smart enough to just run off with her dog implying an idiot like me wou…
Did that factor into the “last” prefix?
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people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything
My last girlfriend picked me up in San Diego and we drove 6 hours to Tucson after we had been apart for about a month. During the drive with her two dogs she told me while I was away there was an incident where her dog mauled a smaller dog and then bit the owner's face when she bent over to rescue her small dog. Her take away was pride as she was smart enough to just run off with her dog implying an idiot like me wou…
The other party can follow her to figure out where she lives or some car license plate, call the police and report incident.
Once police get involved she will get fined and there is a risk that dogs get euthanised in some countries after biting someone...
There is also a risk of someone hurting her dogs due to adrenaline...
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Why thankfully? An unleashed dog comes up to you where its not supposed to. - What are its intentions? - Is it aggressive? - Is it rabid? Its no different than if a coyote came up and accosted you. Worse, because dogs are socialized not to fear man. My neighbor had an aggressive dog (german shepherd) and every time my kid was outside in the backyard I made sure to carry a weapon to kill it if need be. It didn't reall…
You have effectively picked the worst sample of dogs, and established a standard that a human being may take a life based on that standard. Dogs have tells too, and there's common ones that most dog owners will know: - ears backed with tail tucked or quick wagging - cowering / laying down (in a non-relaxed posture) - deep growls and a leg spread defensive stance And there's tells that occur far before the above. Dogs…
I still have a (fading) scar on my calf from that one time I ran past some tables in a cafe as a toddler. I hold no ill will towards the dog that leapt out from under a table and sunk his jaws into my leg before the owners could even react. But let's be clear that big dog + unfamiliar small child is not about "can you read the tells".
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My father told me a story of a man walking in a park one day when an unleashed dog walked up to him. The man took out his handgun and shot it.
Thankfully this is a felony in at least some states now. > My father told me a story of a man walking in a park one day when an unleashed dog walked up to him. The man took out his handgun and shot it. Not a threatening dog, just a fucking dog walking up to somebody. This is a disgusting line of thought that anyone would take a life purely based on an animal approaching you. It makes me question my involvement in a c…
> would take a life purely based on an animal approaching you
Which is it, an animal or a life? The phrase "take a life" implies some sort of value akin to that of a human life. If you want to elevate animals to that level, then acknowledge that you take a life when you slap a mosquito or step on an ant, yet I doubt you apply the same moralizing to anyone else who does so.
> It makes me question my involvement in a community where people are so unhinged they think taking out a gun and shooting someone's random dog is appropriate.
I think the key thing is that an off leash dog ceases to become "someone's random dog". It being "someone's dog" gives it value by being recognized as another person's property. Once off leash, relative to other people it's just a dog now; the owner has effectively abdicated responsibility of ownership for the dog by letting it off the leash. At that point it's not "someone's dog" any more than a bird with a FWS band is "someone's bird". Consequently treating it like any other animals is acceptable.
I say all of this as someone who loves dogs, and I even enjoy friendly dogs approaching me. But they 100% should be on leash and unable to approach me. I wouldn't blame someone for shooting a dog in the exact same circumstances.
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I live near a wildlife refuge. They allowed dogs on leash for many years. But fewer and fewer complied. About 5 years ago after trying all sorts of signage they banned dogs altogether. I feel bad for the small minority of dog owners who complied and kept their dogs on-leash
What's the point of walking a dog on a leash, though? Dogs need to stretch their legs. They're supposed to run around. The underlying problem is people taking in animals as pets without taking the responsibility that should be required as a dog owner.
There are special places to let dog off leash to run around... Or buy a house with a yard