3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California • Hacker News Board

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by prawn » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:35 PM UTC

CameronNemo wrote: post #55

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I fly drones including with commercial filming permits at conservation parks/islands with large bird populations. Different types of birds react in various ways to a drone though I've never noticed similar birds to these act in an overly panicked way. Some types of birds will take flight and then resettle, some will circle closely and try to intimidate the drone (galahs), some charge or consider attacking it (osprey,…

Off leash dogs and bikes could not have reached the nesting site. It is an island with a fence between the trail and the waterways surrounding the island. I dunno maybe the barking could have caused a disturbance.

Must've been a reason they mentioned it.

I was picturing an island well off shore. It's right next to a highway! Not sure exactly which island in the complex held the eggs, but one is about 100m from a campground/RV park.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by Bud » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:40 PM UTC

diggan wrote: post #25

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people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

I frequently walk my dogs without leash. They follow my command, don't disturb other people or dogs unless both parties engage and generally I don't do anything that someone who has a leash wouldn't be doing. They also walk side-by-side with me when off-leash. This is very common in the city I live and surrounding area (Barcelona, Spain and Catalunya). Both me and others without leashes are indistinctive from people…

This comment basically drips with a fundamental inability to see this situation from the other person's perspective. Even to see the most basic thing, which is that other people have no oracular powers with which to discern whether you or your dog are well-behaved.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by cratermoon » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:41 PM UTC

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On one hand that sucks. On the other hand, given their alleged response to disturbances, how aren't these birds extinct yet? This makes me somewhat skeptical of this story.

Does anyone know how these birds react to thunderstorms?

Thunderstorms have been happening with some predictability since before birds even evolved. A buzzing, hovering, and erratically moving clanking mechanical thing is extremely novel.

Which of those two would the birds have a genetically and socially built-in way to cope and survive through?

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by Bud » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:42 PM UTC

diggan wrote: post #54

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Anecdata: ~ I've been bitten in the hand drawing blood by two different dogs (not mine). ~ My daughter had a large dog nipping her face while the owner laughed. ~ I have too different acquaintances that were mauled on their face pretty badly. All these dogs had owners nearby. I love dogs and have had one or more the majority of my life, but people are irresponsible and arrogant.

That's really bad and obviously badly behaved dogs you have interacted with. I hope in all cases they got fined properly for the disturbance and ill caused, and hopefully improved over time, although unlikely... > people are irresponsible and arrogant Agree! And it does harm that people are behaving that way, but that doesn't give me reason to limit people who are not irresponsible and arrogant. Yes, some things are…

Not a good analogy at all. You're comparing inanimate objects that people consume, entirely by choice, to an animal that can maim or kill others? Find a different rhetorical device, I'd say.

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Post by seattle_spring » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:43 PM UTC

diggan wrote: post #54

glennpratt wrote: post #51

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Anecdata: ~ I've been bitten in the hand drawing blood by two different dogs (not mine). ~ My daughter had a large dog nipping her face while the owner laughed. ~ I have too different acquaintances that were mauled on their face pretty badly. All these dogs had owners nearby. I love dogs and have had one or more the majority of my life, but people are irresponsible and arrogant.

That's really bad and obviously badly behaved dogs you have interacted with. I hope in all cases they got fined properly for the disturbance and ill caused, and hopefully improved over time, although unlikely... > people are irresponsible and arrogant Agree! And it does harm that people are behaving that way, but that doesn't give me reason to limit people who are not irresponsible and arrogant. Yes, some things are…

I philosophically agree with you, but the reality on the ground on US trails is that many people (dog owners or not) do not observe rules or etiquette. Go on a hike near Seattle and you'll probably leave with a Drake song memorized from how many kids are blasting it on their Bluetooth speakers. The actual trail is sometimes indistinguishable from the switchback cuts people make. Even take some time looking at US centric comments on this site lately: even with respect to a global pandemic, people will vehemently put their own wants over the greater good of society or the environment. The only solution is heavy handed enforcement. It sucks but I don't see a better way.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by KineticLensman » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:45 PM UTC

ncallaway wrote: post #47

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> We have no idea whether your dogs are properly trained or not I think the assumption is, at least from mine and others like me, is that if your dog is off-leash, you can handle your dog off-leash. The same if you bring friends to some social event, you wouldn't bring them if you can't handle them and they can behave in public. I'm not afraid they are gonna attack me, although sometimes humans do attack other humans…

> I think the assumption is, at least from mine and others like me, is that if your dog is off-leash, you can handle your dog off-leash. Which may apply to 90% of off leash dogs. Unfortunately, the other 10% that have dogs that *cannot* be off leash, but do so anyway ruin it for you. There are people that are afraid of dogs. They have no way of knowing, at a distance, whether your dogs will behave or run up to them.…

> There are people that are afraid of dogs. They have no way of knowing, at a distance, whether your dogs will behave or run up to them. So when they see any dog off leash in a leash required area, they have to take a large detour to give the off leash dogs a wide enough berth.

This is my sister, exactly. At age four she was chased by an off-leash Alsatian and to this day is nervous of any off-leash large dog

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by smcl » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:45 PM UTC

blamazon wrote: post #57

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Can I ask where you're from? This might be a cultural difference. I mentioned originally in another comment (then removed it as it looked a bit hostile) that this might be something more US-centric as it hasn't been a problem anywhere I've seen in Europe. I don't mean to bash the USA here, but I think there might be more "this is a free country and I can do what I want..." types over there who (if they have a dog) ar…

I think we’re already past cliches and stereotypes when talking of all dog owners who walk without a leash! I’m from USA. On the same page with you here about the collectivist vs individual freedom. As you noted it’s a tragedy of the commons—-because unquestioned individual freedom is prized so heavily in USA, some dog owners take advantage of it without appropriate precaution, and those people tend to do things like…

We actually do have such a tax! And I'm glad you reminded me because my residency status changed meaning that I now need to start paying this :D

The tax is from the local municipality, and I think it’s for upkeep of some dog infrastructure - dedicated dog parks, bins with little bags. It’s not much

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by foobiter » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:47 PM UTC

diggan wrote: post #25

fnord77 wrote: post #23

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people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

I frequently walk my dogs without leash. They follow my command, don't disturb other people or dogs unless both parties engage and generally I don't do anything that someone who has a leash wouldn't be doing. They also walk side-by-side with me when off-leash. This is very common in the city I live and surrounding area (Barcelona, Spain and Catalunya). Both me and others without leashes are indistinctive from people…

it’s inconsiderate because you’re forcing strangers to trust you in a situation where you could alternatively follow a simple rule… it also sets a bad example for people with poorly trained dogs. We live in a society, not everything is about you.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by smcl » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:47 PM UTC

asimpletune wrote: post #52

smcl wrote: post #38

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Strange you're getting so downvoted. While I am a dog owner (and therefore may have a bias) I don't think you've said anything wrong or even controversial. I've seen a lot of US-based people who cannot fathom the idea of a well-behaved dog being completely fine off-leash, so maybe this is why? I must say that in this sort of situation - an area near a nesting site - I absolutely agree a dog shouldn't be free to run a…

It is totally counter to HN ethos to downvote a opinion you don’t agree with, and I’m disappointed others don’t give pause and ask themselves why they’re doing it first. All the responses in this thread have been cordial and relevant, so it is disappointing to see some of them met with this kind of silent disapproval, which is reserved for non-sequitors, those acting in bad faith, or impolite speech.

I'm particularly confused because this comment of mine is downvoted despite me agreeing with the idea that dogs should be leashed in these situations. But I understand - people get annoyed and irritated, and really it's just meaningless internet numbers at stake so it doesn't matter :)

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Post by tolbish » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:50 PM UTC

blamazon wrote: post #26

fnord77 wrote: post #23

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people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

Typified in the viral ‘Central Park Birdwatching Incident.’ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_birdwatching_in...

I'm guessing she blamed cancel culture and the woke left for losing her job/dog instead of blaming her racism and foolishly filing a false police report.