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Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by inciampati »

TchoBeer wrote: post #379
samcheng wrote: post #368

Just curious: are there any Chinese nationals (in China) here in this thread? I want to understand the scope of censorship. What do YOU think?

I would also like to know. It's funny, because I feel like a lot of media and news I've consumed paints china as this hellish dystopia, so when I (very occasionally) talk with chinese nationals online I'm kinda underwhelmed by how it's just... a place? I don't know.

It's definitely just another place. It must be in order for people to lead normal, content lives.

Politically, it has very alien features that seem unlivable and dystopian to people from countries with strong support of free speech.

I can't fathom the motivation for maintaining this. Because they stifle creativity, the authoritarian features of the dominant political culture in China do not seem to be productive over the long term. In my little scientific domain this is definitely visible. I cannot remember significant new approaches developed in China. Despite many attempts I cannot seem to begin meaningful collaborations with researchers in China. The good scientists appear to run away.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by toss1 »

foxhop wrote: post #453
toss1 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That may be what they are doing. And let us be clear - it is bad enough when the major tech companies gladly apply CCP or RUS filtering within those territories. The CCP is the friend of no one but themselves, and they are global expansionists. The RUS govt is an international criminal syndicate masquerading as a govt. If the tech companies start applying those same CCP/RUS standards globally, then the response shoul…

Our companies are more powerful than our governments right now. They censor what they want when they want on behalf of their world view and government bidding.

Yup, and yet here they are kowtowing to the world's authoritarian governments, just for a few dollars.

They're happy to sellout their users, and everyone's freedoms for a few more dollars this quarter.

We need to stop respecting that like it is an accomplishment.

Yet the downvotes show that people even hear fail to see the paradox of intolerance.

There is one thing that a tolerant society cannot tolerate - intolerance. If intolerance is allowed, it will drive out all tolerance. So it must be stamped out.

Since China is clearly not tolerating free speech on the Internet, it should lose it's access to the internet. Short of that step, we will soon see that the Internet is run by CCP's rules.

(&ya, I hear all the arguments about 'engagement', avoiding balkanization of the internet, etc. - they've all been proven false - tolerating authoritarianism is the worst failure)

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by strogonoff »

falcolas wrote: post #324
dang wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please keep nationalistic attacks off this forum. You have no idea the sort of pressure that users with minority perspectives because of their national/ethnic backgrounds are under on this majority-Western forum. People have literally been hounded off this site after getting attacked for this. Is that the kind of community you, or any of us, want to be part of? Of course it is not. Therefore, don't include swipes lik…

Two demonstrably true observations: - China actively works to remove mentions about the Tiananmen Square Massacre. - There are CCP sympathetic posters on HN. I've had them reply to me before. They have identified themselves Chinese. Combining these two into the statement, "There are posters sympathetic to the CCP stance of censoring the Tiananmen Square Massacre who are flagging these posts," does require some inform…

> Two demonstrably true observations:

> - China actively works to remove mentions about the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

When you say “China”, don’t you think you are being unnecessarily ambiguous?

Any Chinese national can identify with the word “China”, yet unlike Western nationals they’d have absolutely no say in these policy matters, even indirectly through an election.

Think about the effect you want your message to have. With careless phrasing, some of the audience of the message might have two choices: either be left feeling put down in a non-actionable way, or start taking offence—which, if we simplistically pretend there are just two sides in this issue, might mean your message would end up slowly fuelling the opposite side throughout its lifetime on the Web (which would probably be many years).

I personally am trying to be more precise and stick to “CCP” in such context, and in this situation support the sentiment in dang’s note.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by Anthony-G »

I just saw this story reported on the website of the national broadcaster (originally from AFP) and came to Hacker News expecting to find more details on this story.

20 hours after this was originally posted, I see that 15 of the first 17 results (top 3 rows) for the Bing image search are about other sites’ coverage of Microsoft’s censorship. Of these, 8 include the censored photograph. There’s some sort of circular irony there.

The results returned by Bing Image search are still very different to those returned by a Google Image search.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by idbehold »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #371
idbehold wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My proposed approach is a little more automated. The mods don't have to find and remove flagging rights individually, they just unflag a post and instantly all the users who had flagged it lose some credibility for future flags. EDIT: The "flagging trustworthiness" could even help mods to find posts which might need to be unflagged quicker based on the average trustworthiness of the flags.

Wait, flags are only meant to be used for bad things? I've been using them for “title is bad, pls change” requests. (Oops.)

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#flag

> What does [flagged] mean?

> It means that users flagged a post as breaking the guidelines or otherwise not belonging on Hacker News.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by FooBarBizBazz »

alisonatwork wrote: post #227
ggggtez wrote: post #138

I don't speak chinese, but "50 cent party" refers to paid online chinese trolls. I think it is written as 50美分派对 [1] 50美分派对 also finds no results on Bing, but plenty of results on Google. So it's not just tank man. The word filter is active for all search terms that are blocked in china. 50美分的军队 I think is another way of writing it: it shows only 3 images on bing, which all look like ads for Coca Cola. [1] https://en…

I am not surprised you are not finding useful results, because you are using a bizarre translation. The term used in Chinese is 五毛黨, literally "5 mao party" (1 mao = 10 fen = 10 cents). 美分 means "American fen", so it would only be used to refer to American cents. 派對 is a neologism that sounds like the English word "party" and it is only used in the context of having a social gathering. If you search 五毛黨 you will find…

> 小粉紅

Would it be fair to say that the English phrase "Angry Youth" (used in the same context) has the same meaning?

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by alisonatwork »

FooBarBizBazz wrote: post #548
alisonatwork wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not surprised you are not finding useful results, because you are using a bizarre translation. The term used in Chinese is 五毛黨, literally "5 mao party" (1 mao = 10 fen = 10 cents). 美分 means "American fen", so it would only be used to refer to American cents. 派對 is a neologism that sounds like the English word "party" and it is only used in the context of having a social gathering. If you search 五毛黨 you will find…

> 小粉紅 Would it be fair to say that the English phrase "Angry Youth" (used in the same context) has the same meaning?

I'm not sure, the popular terminology to describe these trends seems to change between generations. "Angry Youth" seems to be more from pre-Xi Jinping era, referring to a translation of 憤青. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenqing

I quite like this article from 2019 about Wandering Earth which tries to explain two facets of the contemporary Chinese right wing, that is the 小粉紅 Little Pinks and 工業黨 Industrial Party. Or, as they choose to translate it, "Young Cyber-Nationalists" and "Prometheans". In English: https://chuangcn.org/2019/08/wandering-earth/

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

idbehold wrote: post #547
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, flags are only meant to be used for bad things? I've been using them for “title is bad, pls change” requests. (Oops.)

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#flag > What does [flagged] mean? > It means that users flagged a post as breaking the guidelines or otherwise not belonging on Hacker News.

Fortunately you can see everything you've flagged at /flagged?id=username; I corrected my flagging.
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