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Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by jturpin »

dang wrote: post #364
jturpin wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any valuable connection between the users that flagged the original post that might be interesting? Not looking for specifics, since I imagine that's secret, but wondering how much of it really was standard behavior versus something else.

The flagging history of all the users who flagged that post was very consistent. There was no connection to any specific topic (nor between the accounts, that I could see). Rather, they have previously flagged stories about things like cryptocurrency, ransomware, covid lockdowns, $BigCo flamewars, and lots and lots of scandals involving such subjects as Florida, Katie Hill, and the Chicago Police Department. Also, mo…

That is interesting, thank you for the insight and response.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by dexter89_kp3 »

dang wrote: post #72
kian wrote: post #45

@dang, I think we need an explanation for why Tank Man-related content on Hacker News has been disappearing all day. I usually trust HN to be a bastion of free speech, and if there isn't some kind of proportionate response here, I don't believe myself or many others here will be able to see it that way going forward. EDIT: Thank you for your response, dang. Hacker News is a special place, which is why we have respond…

This post is on the front page right now (edit: and now also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27396783 ) - that's the opposite of "disappearing". I'd have to see links to the other ones. Here's one tip for you guys, from years-long, world-weary experience: if you're coming up with sensational explanations in breathless excitement, it's almost certainly untrue. Edit: ok, here's what happened. Users flagged https:/…

Do not attribute to malice what can be attributed to stochastic co-ordination

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by armSixtyFour »

johnfernow wrote: post #190

Since these pages will likely be updated, here are the archived links as proof of this happening: https://web.archive.org/web/20210604192821/https://www.bing.... https://web.archive.org/web/20210604180506/https://images.se... https://web.archive.org/web/20210604194355/https://www.ecosi... https://web.archive.org/web/20210604194336/https://search.ao... Some people probably think "nobody uses Bing", but Bing powers a l…

Qwant also shows no results. https://web.archive.org/web/20210605040421/https://www.qwant...

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by dbsmith83 »

ww520 wrote: post #467
drdavid wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft said the issue was "due to an accidental human error and we are actively working to resolve this." (I did some searching.) This is from a report here: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/microsoft-bing-raises-c... Of course, the search result is an MSN link.

"actively working to resolve this." Isn't it just remove the filter and that's it?

I bet the filter was supposed to be applied only to China IPs but was accidentally applied over all IPs. So whatever work is required to fix that and roll it out

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by musicale »

varenc wrote: post #309

As discussed extensively in the Bing thread [0] comments, this is because DDG uses Bing’s search index. Microsoft has acknowledged this is in error...[1] (though the error seems to be that censorship meant to just apply to China is being applied everywhere) [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27395635 [1] https://www.vice.com/en/article/qj8v9m/bing-censors-tank-man

> error seems to be that censorship meant to just apply to China is being applied everywhere

That's a succinct way of putting it.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by dbsmith83 »

iso1631 wrote: post #363
iso1631 wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or it could have been a normal employee that ticked the "censor everywhere" box rather than "censor china"

Of course that makes the assumption that it's known and accepted that Microsoft censor the search "tank man" to some parts of the globe, and the accident is that the censorship applied to a larger than desired scope. It seems unlikely that you could accidently censor something like this globally without trying to do it for at least one specific target demographic. It's also plausible that the fault was brought in del…

> It's also plausible that the fault was brought in deliberately by a rogue engineer to raise the subject globally.

Doubtful to me, I would think that an action like that would be very traceable in a big corporation like Microsoft

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by handoflixue »

dang wrote: post #72
kian wrote: post #45

@dang, I think we need an explanation for why Tank Man-related content on Hacker News has been disappearing all day. I usually trust HN to be a bastion of free speech, and if there isn't some kind of proportionate response here, I don't believe myself or many others here will be able to see it that way going forward. EDIT: Thank you for your response, dang. Hacker News is a special place, which is why we have respond…

This post is on the front page right now (edit: and now also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27396783 ) - that's the opposite of "disappearing". I'd have to see links to the other ones. Here's one tip for you guys, from years-long, world-weary experience: if you're coming up with sensational explanations in breathless excitement, it's almost certainly untrue. Edit: ok, here's what happened. Users flagged https:/…

A proposal for a vouching system, since others suggested the idea but not an implementation: Any user can "vouch" for an article. This gets stored in a database, but doesn't do much on it's own. There's a secret karma cutoff, above which the vouch gets "counted", and if there's more vouches than flags a moderator is alerted to give the article extra attention.

Any time vouching triggers extra attention, the decision is recorded in the database. If someone routinely vouches and gets overruled (i.e. vouching for bad content), then their vouching no longer counts in the future.

At some point after the system is introduced, start giving extra weight to people whose vouching decisions line up with moderators.

Worst case, this is just flagging stuff for extra moderation attention so there's not a lot to abuse. If it's requiring too much extra attention, adjust the required vouch:flagged ratio or raise the threshold needed to vouch "For Real".

(I'm not saying I see anything wrong with the current system - I tend to appreciate how well this particular Walled Garden is tended to. But the vouch idea seemed cool to me, and I felt like I could contribute a useful implementation)

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by lota-putty »

Those pictures are proof how trained military men behave, "maintain a single file". "Tank Man" becomes a legend for brazenly holding the line marching Tanks.

Given this scenario to any Indian driver, they'll just pass by using other lanes.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by bostik »

idbehold wrote: post #177
crazygringo wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't doubt posts are flagged by users as opposed to moderation. But at the same time, it also seems like flagging can be too easily abused, and can lead to accusations of censorship and distrust. (Though I've certainly seen it work well in cases, especially for false/defamatory articles.) But it really does seem like we're at the point where longstanding users need to also be able to vouch for flagged stories, or…

Another approach is to penalize users (e.g. stop trusting their flags) who flagged a post which then got unflagged by a mod.

There is apparently an entire branch of research called Reviewer Reliability. Someone on HN pointed that out to me a couple of years back, when we were discussing the problem with fake/bought/manipulated/blackhat product reviews.

In a hilarious twist of fate, searching for that term brings up papers on either medical research or peer-review reliability problems in general[0]. You try to find data on a potentially abstract, complex societal issue, and come up with what can only be described as attention grabbing HN-catnip.

0: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/behavioral-and-brain...

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