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Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by mustacheemperor »

varenc wrote: post #309

As discussed extensively in the Bing thread [0] comments, this is because DDG uses Bing’s search index. Microsoft has acknowledged this is in error...[1] (though the error seems to be that censorship meant to just apply to China is being applied everywhere) [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27395635 [1] https://www.vice.com/en/article/qj8v9m/bing-censors-tank-man

The search shows images now, but none of them are related to Tienanmen. They're generic images of tanks.

That seems worse, honestly, since before it was obvious to anyone something was being censored. Was the "error" that the search was completely blank instead of full of faux-result clutter?

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by [deleted] »

pomian wrote: post #326

Bravo. Thankyou HN and users for this post. It's a simple check, and search results are definitely tainted somehow, especially selecting results in images. It is a reminder of how frangible history is. What will remain in another 30 years m How much history have we lost?

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Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by heavyset_go »

dang wrote: post #72
kian wrote: post #45

@dang, I think we need an explanation for why Tank Man-related content on Hacker News has been disappearing all day. I usually trust HN to be a bastion of free speech, and if there isn't some kind of proportionate response here, I don't believe myself or many others here will be able to see it that way going forward. EDIT: Thank you for your response, dang. Hacker News is a special place, which is why we have respond…

This post is on the front page right now (edit: and now also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27396783 ) - that's the opposite of "disappearing". I'd have to see links to the other ones. Here's one tip for you guys, from years-long, world-weary experience: if you're coming up with sensational explanations in breathless excitement, it's almost certainly untrue. Edit: ok, here's what happened. Users flagged https:/…

Modern censorship relies on using online communities' reporting, flagging and moderating systems to the censor's advantage.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by Causality1 »

crazygringo wrote: post #106
dang wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post is on the front page right now (edit: and now also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27396783 ) - that's the opposite of "disappearing". I'd have to see links to the other ones. Here's one tip for you guys, from years-long, world-weary experience: if you're coming up with sensational explanations in breathless excitement, it's almost certainly untrue. Edit: ok, here's what happened. Users flagged https:/…

I don't doubt posts are flagged by users as opposed to moderation. But at the same time, it also seems like flagging can be too easily abused, and can lead to accusations of censorship and distrust. (Though I've certainly seen it work well in cases, especially for false/defamatory articles.) But it really does seem like we're at the point where longstanding users need to also be able to vouch for flagged stories, or…

Yes. From observation, there are a number of topics which inevitably draw the attention of a personal army that very much cares about that topic in a specific way, and to a much greater degree than a typical user.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by virtue3 »

michaelmrose wrote: post #246
virtue3 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the US searching for it and getting nothing for the image results. Why are the images specifically blocked? I don't think there's anything fair about this. I don't like the idea of a US company censoring information from me in this way. Because now I'm really curious as to what else is being censored/flagged out.

If they were actually going to censor results wouldn't they censor the web results as well? What makes you think this isn't a technical issue.

You've got to be joking.

Blanking out image results for a specific search string is a technical issue? This goes a little bit beyond assuming incompetence.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by cm2187 »

actuator wrote: post #314
johnfernow wrote: post #190

Since these pages will likely be updated, here are the archived links as proof of this happening: https://web.archive.org/web/20210604192821/https://www.bing.... https://web.archive.org/web/20210604180506/https://images.se... https://web.archive.org/web/20210604194355/https://www.ecosi... https://web.archive.org/web/20210604194336/https://search.ao... Some people probably think "nobody uses Bing", but Bing powers a l…

It seems like their safe search is hiding even search results for other related search terms. I am not sure how they were moderated to be not safe. https://archive.is/KOTNB I hope Microsoft has a good write up on how this happened, both on the search term blanket ban and the safe search results thing.

I still get nothing with safe search off

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by hutzlibu »

dang wrote: post #236
tw04 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ll start with: no I don’t think you or “HN” are in on some conspiracy. My question is: does HN actively attempt to counteract government actors from influencing the site? I think it’s been proven that China among other countries employs folks to try to influence social media sites. Not necessarily by influencing staff, but by creating user accounts who do things like downvote unfavorable comments or flag stories th…

Counteracting abuse of this site is the #1 thing we do behind the scenes to try to prevent the value of HN from eroding. That's actually what I spent the first hour of my morning doing, before I realized that there was $BigDrama happening. (Thank you, bat-signaling emailers.) If you ever see me commenting on how "large HN threads are paged for performance reasons, so click the More link at the bottom, and we'll event…

"What I'm saying is that, with rare exceptions [1], what we find after countless hours of extensive investigation of the private data is...dirt, roots, and worms. It looks exactly like the public data."

Ah, but this is just proof, that the communist sleeper agents are entrenched even deeper among us, than we expected!

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by ALittleLight »

varenc wrote: post #309

As discussed extensively in the Bing thread [0] comments, this is because DDG uses Bing’s search index. Microsoft has acknowledged this is in error...[1] (though the error seems to be that censorship meant to just apply to China is being applied everywhere) [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27395635 [1] https://www.vice.com/en/article/qj8v9m/bing-censors-tank-man

A Microsoft spokesperson told Motherboard in an email that "This is due to an accidental human error and we are actively working to resolve this."

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There is no way this is due to an accidental human error. The lying on this point is infuriating.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by geoduck14 »

dejj wrote: post #272
retrac wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a flag on my platform that flags users who reported things I agreed with the removal of, as "trusted" and their reports are given more weight in the algorithm next time. Sort of the inverse of what you propose where everyone is somewhat untrusted by default. (But not entirely untrusted.)

What is that platform of yours?

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