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Re: There are no results for tank man

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The point here is that it seems extremely unlikely image search results is the actual result of a sift through the available indexed data. Meaning that some manual mechanism is responsible for the page being blank.

It must be. There is nothing in the words "tank man" that would trigger any sort of filter. My guess is that this was supposed to be limited to Chinese IP's and someone forgot to add that to the config.

I got thousands of images back by searching “ dhshsjdjfjfjdj”

Censorship is disgusting.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Since these pages will likely be updated, here are the archived links as proof of this happening: https://web.archive.org/web/20210604192821/https://www.bing.... https://web.archive.org/web/20210604180506/https://images.se... https://web.archive.org/web/20210604194355/https://www.ecosi... https://web.archive.org/web/20210604194336/https://search.ao... Some people probably think "nobody uses Bing", but Bing powers a l…

Looks like it has now been updated and returns images of various tanks and male athletes, but still no images of what seems most relevant to the phrase - the iconic Tiananmen Square photograph that goes by that name.

Still returns the same (no results) for images, at least for me.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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post #192

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> Please keep nationalistic attacks off this forum. There is nothing wrong with criticizing the Communist Party of China.

Of course not, but there's something wrong with using that as a fig leaf for garden-variety, ugly human shadow material, and if you don't think that's happening, I'm afraid you're far off the mark. By the way, I'm not saying this out of any political position on the underlying topics (nor is that any sort of claim to neutrality). I'm saying this because I'm close enough to the data to start to see how basic decency i…

You walk a fine tightrope (and do it well).

I do not envy your role here in the slightest.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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I've noticed wikipedia also seems to have censored the tiananmen square massacre to some degree.

If you look it up it is now referred to as the "tiananmen square protests", and contains none of the famous photos you might expect to see such as tank man.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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I don't doubt posts are flagged by users as opposed to moderation. But at the same time, it also seems like flagging can be too easily abused, and can lead to accusations of censorship and distrust. (Though I've certainly seen it work well in cases, especially for false/defamatory articles.) But it really does seem like we're at the point where longstanding users need to also be able to vouch for flagged stories, or…

> longstanding users need to also be able to vouch for flagged stories, or something like that. This is the critical point. Today, users can "vouch" for [dead] stories, but can't vouch for [flagged] stories until they get flagged so much that they convert to [dead]. The other "Tank Man" story was flagged, but never quite dead, so users couldn't vouch for it; from users' perspective, it appeared to simply disappear. A…

Should we have vouch for stories that haven't been marked flagged yet as well? I will search for HN's ranker formula but right now, it shows this story in 8th place to me. The upvote/time would put it on top, so I am guessing either most upvotes are old and there is a decay involved in ranker or it is also being flagged. It could also be an auto flame war detector pulling it down, HN has one based on upvote/comments of the post, I am not sure if there is one which considers voting within comments itself.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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post #270

What's Microsoft's response to this? Seems like they'll have some explaining to do who can insert denylisted terms so easily...

It is same as usual, Deny, Delay and talk about Inclusion and diversity and Microsoft's needs to comply with local laws and blame fat fingers by some intern who was to be disciplined.

Then their General Counsel Brad Smith will write a blog post how half of America are deplorables and what we need to learn from China.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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post #236
post #148

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I’ll start with: no I don’t think you or “HN” are in on some conspiracy. My question is: does HN actively attempt to counteract government actors from influencing the site? I think it’s been proven that China among other countries employs folks to try to influence social media sites. Not necessarily by influencing staff, but by creating user accounts who do things like downvote unfavorable comments or flag stories th…

Counteracting abuse of this site is the #1 thing we do behind the scenes to try to prevent the value of HN from eroding. That's actually what I spent the first hour of my morning doing, before I realized that there was $BigDrama happening. (Thank you, bat-signaling emailers.) If you ever see me commenting on how "large HN threads are paged for performance reasons, so click the More link at the bottom, and we'll event…

Man this comment give me PTSD from the early reddit days. If you read nothing else in this comment: You're doing a great job solving a hard problem, keep it up!

> well, the reason that's not done yet is because moderation takes 90% of my time, answering emails takes the other 90% of my time, and counteracting abuse takes the other 90% of my time.

So much this. There just isn't enough time with a small staff.

> Most haven't figured out that the above-board way to do that is simply to make interesting contributions

So much this too. This is what we always told people on reddit -- brands would ask us "how do I get more popular on reddit" and we tell them, "make interesting content".

> Almost everything that people think they're seeing about this is pure imagination and projection, entirely determined by the strong feelings that dominate high politics.

Same with all social media. People assume governments have heavy handed control of all content on social media, when in most cases the government couldn't care less. They focus on using propaganda to control individuals and then let those people make a mess of social media.

Your whole post resonates with my experience on the inside of moderating a big social media site and meeting with moderators of other big sites.

I'll be honest, at first I wasn't too keen on you moderation style, as I found it too heavy handed. But I take that back. HN doesn't cover everything I want to talk about (I go to reddit for the rest), but what it does cover, it covers better than reddit does.

So thank you, and I hope you get some more help with one of those 90% jobs!

Re: There are no results for tank man

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post #236
post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ll start with: no I don’t think you or “HN” are in on some conspiracy. My question is: does HN actively attempt to counteract government actors from influencing the site? I think it’s been proven that China among other countries employs folks to try to influence social media sites. Not necessarily by influencing staff, but by creating user accounts who do things like downvote unfavorable comments or flag stories th…

Counteracting abuse of this site is the #1 thing we do behind the scenes to try to prevent the value of HN from eroding. That's actually what I spent the first hour of my morning doing, before I realized that there was $BigDrama happening. (Thank you, bat-signaling emailers.) If you ever see me commenting on how "large HN threads are paged for performance reasons, so click the More link at the bottom, and we'll event…

Great response. At the same time, absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence. It seems improbable that nation states aren’t keenly interested in social media influence. It seems much more likely such efforts are undetectable.

Re: There are no results for tank man

#290

Since these pages will likely be updated, here are the archived links as proof of this happening: https://web.archive.org/web/20210604192821/https://www.bing.... https://web.archive.org/web/20210604180506/https://images.se... https://web.archive.org/web/20210604194355/https://www.ecosi... https://web.archive.org/web/20210604194336/https://search.ao... Some people probably think "nobody uses Bing", but Bing powers a l…

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