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Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by dragonwriter »

KirillPanov wrote: post #136
dang wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please keep nationalistic attacks off this forum. You have no idea the sort of pressure that users with minority perspectives because of their national/ethnic backgrounds are under on this majority-Western forum. People have literally been hounded off this site after getting attacked for this. Is that the kind of community you, or any of us, want to be part of? Of course it is not. Therefore, don't include swipes lik…

> Please keep nationalistic attacks off this forum. There is nothing wrong with criticizing the Communist Party of China.

> There is nothing wrong with criticizing the Communist Party of China.

There is, OTOH, something very wrong with equating Chinese national HN users with the Communist Party of China, and your comment that dang responded to about nationalistic attacks was explictly directed at the former, not the latter, and defending it as the latter draws an inappropriate equivalence.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by ALittleLight »

jasode wrote: post #46

I'm guessing it is a "hand tuned" search result tweak because just appending "china" returns a few images: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=tank%20man%20china (For those who don't see results, this is my screen grab of the above at 18:12 UTC : https://imgur.com/a/3tzPV49 ) Also, "Tiananmen Square massacre" still returns some image results: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Tiananmen+Square+massac... Therefore,…

It's the 6th result for "tank guy" for me. "china protest man tank" also gets it. "Tiananmen square" doesn't autocomplete on bing either, for "some reason"...

It's surprising and shameful to me that Microsoft would be censoring so brazenly even in US search results. Also embarrassing on a technical level that their censorship is this bad. It's also pretty bad at image search compared to Google (compare Google Images "tank guy" to Bing's).

Companies that sell their soul for money are one thing, but Bing has ~2% market share in China, and for this they are crudely censoring search results worldwide? Madness.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by kstrauser »

kragen wrote: post #123
dang wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can tell you personally with high confidence that neither the Communist Party of China nor any other Communist Party has influence on how we operate Hacker News. I can't say anything about any other site or company or media or government, because I'm not involved with any of that. But unless the communists are zapping me with behavior-control rays or Angela Lansbury had me brainwashed decades ago, zero such influen…

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Last time I looked, about 40% of Americans were of German ancestry.

I don't think Angela Merkel is controlling Hacker News.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by ad404b8a372f2b9 »

kragen wrote: post #123
dang wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can tell you personally with high confidence that neither the Communist Party of China nor any other Communist Party has influence on how we operate Hacker News. I can't say anything about any other site or company or media or government, because I'm not involved with any of that. But unless the communists are zapping me with behavior-control rays or Angela Lansbury had me brainwashed decades ago, zero such influen…

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"we" doesn't include the users. The users don't operate hacker news. They have an effect on it but it's not top-down censorship which is what's being implied here.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by halfmatthalfcat »

dang wrote: post #114
nbardy wrote: post #90

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We were told the same thing about the lab leak theory from: Social media companies, Mainstream media, and the government. The reason for distrust is valid. We live in an age of rapidly increasing censorship and the CCPs growing reach of control in American discourse. Skepticism is becoming the default for very real reasons.

I can tell you personally with high confidence that neither the Communist Party of China nor any other Communist Party has influence on how we operate Hacker News. I can't say anything about any other site or company or media or government, because I'm not involved with any of that. But unless the communists are zapping me with behavior-control rays or Angela Lansbury had me brainwashed decades ago, zero such influen…

I feel like this is one of the first times I've seen @dang fucking go in. Love it, love you and keep up the great work.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by grzm »

Dah00n wrote: post #125
crazygringo wrote: post #106

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I don't doubt posts are flagged by users as opposed to moderation. But at the same time, it also seems like flagging can be too easily abused, and can lead to accusations of censorship and distrust. (Though I've certainly seen it work well in cases, especially for false/defamatory articles.) But it really does seem like we're at the point where longstanding users need to also be able to vouch for flagged stories, or…

Vouch is already implemented.

Vouching works for [dead] comments and submissions, not those that are only [flagged] (but not [dead]). I believe this is what 'crazygringo is referring to.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by tw04 »

dang wrote: post #114
nbardy wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We were told the same thing about the lab leak theory from: Social media companies, Mainstream media, and the government. The reason for distrust is valid. We live in an age of rapidly increasing censorship and the CCPs growing reach of control in American discourse. Skepticism is becoming the default for very real reasons.

I can tell you personally with high confidence that neither the Communist Party of China nor any other Communist Party has influence on how we operate Hacker News. I can't say anything about any other site or company or media or government, because I'm not involved with any of that. But unless the communists are zapping me with behavior-control rays or Angela Lansbury had me brainwashed decades ago, zero such influen…

I’ll start with: no I don’t think you or “HN” are in on some conspiracy.

My question is: does HN actively attempt to counteract government actors from influencing the site? I think it’s been proven that China among other countries employs folks to try to influence social media sites. Not necessarily by influencing staff, but by creating user accounts who do things like downvote unfavorable comments or flag stories they don’t like.

This seems like it would be a prime target for that behavior.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by joemi »

thehoomanist wrote: post #4

Why is something connected to tech, and uncovering an important ethical bias and issue, being flagged? With no transparency about the reasons, nonetheless.

If you mean flagged on HN, there's great transparency about the reasons: users can flag whatever they want.
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