They exist. They are real. They aren't ours. They aren't an adversary's, because a) the military would never admit it if that were possible and b) if it were the case the adversary would have already taken over the world. There's no evidence they were made by aliens, leprechauns, or ghosts. But there's evidence they were made. Not that they are swamp gas or funny clouds. So lets get past that, and realize there's som…
> My 2c is extra-terrestrial civ is less likely than co-terrestrial civ (subterrainean/ocean) - but lets stop talking about this like they are hallucinations or possible atmospheric phenomenon. Why? This whole thing reminds me a bit of the "Havana Syndrome", in that: - It's an extraordinary claim, presented with limited evidence. - It defies obvious logical explanation (i.e., a motive). - The phenomenon lacks a clear…
- Multiple expert witnesses, usually pilots or radar operators, getting visual and sensor confirmation from multiple vantage points
- Air and ground tracking
- High cohesion and consistency (in terms of object size, cardinality, dynamics, and timing) between the witness reports
Taken together, these reports form a closure over the set of plausible explanations that should approximately explain all or none of them. My 2c is that any plausible explanations are by and large "big" and non-trivial ones like shared delusions.