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No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

swebs wrote: post #66

>Senior US administration officials briefed on the findings of the report said that the majority of more than 120 incidents over the past 20 years did not derive from any US military or other advanced US government technology, according to The New York Times. So they have no evidence that it's aliens, no evidence that it's US military technology, and no evidence that it's foreign technology. In other words nothing ne…

> nothing new has been discovered and we're still at square 1

If there is even a shred of evidence these are not sensor artefacts, that's square 2. It means we are contending with real objects. Maybe not flying ones, but objects nonetheless. That merits attention. (And funding, which I imagine is the point of all this.)

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by inciampati »

user-the-name wrote: post #29
nynx wrote: post #23

Well, assuming this isn't a psyop, this is incredibly exciting. These things are doing maneuvers that simply aren't possible with the technology we have currently. This means that the scifi future of our dreams is nearly upon us.

These things aren't "things". They are mostly camera artefacts. They're not doing anything.

A number of the recent reports include visual contact with the UFOs. Camera artefacts would not explain such observations from sober-minded and sharp-eyed fighter pilots.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by swebs »

swader999 wrote: post #47
king_magic wrote: post #14

The NY Times Headline is much more informative and interesting: > U.S. Finds No Evidence of Alien Technology in Flying Objects, but Can’t Rule It Out, Either Sub header: > A new report concedes that much about the observed phenomena remains difficult to explain, including their acceleration, as well as ability to change direction and submerge. Those descriptions are a tectonic shift on the topic from the US governmen…

"Those descriptions are a tectonic shift on the topic from the US government." Feels like we are being primed for something new to be afraid of and give our treasure to in defense of. Aliens being non-peaceful fails so many logic tests though. I hope the script doesn't go that way.

>Aliens being non-peaceful fails so many logic tests though

How so? Humans are capable of basic space travel already.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

gfodor wrote: post #32

They exist. They are real. They aren't ours. They aren't an adversary's, because a) the military would never admit it if that were possible and b) if it were the case the adversary would have already taken over the world. There's no evidence they were made by aliens, leprechauns, or ghosts. But there's evidence they were made. Not that they are swamp gas or funny clouds. So lets get past that, and realize there's som…

> They exist. They are real. They aren't ours. They aren't an adversary's, because a) the military would never admit it if that were possible and b) if it were the case the adversary would have already taken over the world.

can't speak to a), but as for b), it is possible that what they are and what they appear to be are very different things. Imagine, say, a drone swarm with a very flat profile that could turn their surfaces towards a target and tighten up to present a radar cross section and become highly visible, but could flip to an edge-on position and disperse to disappear to both eyes and instruments. Two such swarms could easily mimic an instantaneous movement over a large distance, among other effects.

In other words, they might be moderately more advanced technology masquerading as ludicrously more advanced technology, presenting the appearance of a threat far greater than their inventors can actually produce.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by Diederich »

user-the-name wrote: post #39
m_mueller wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Including their radar signatures?

What evidence do you have of anything having any radar signature?

Video released this week shows radar contact.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by bostonsre »

swader999 wrote: post #47
king_magic wrote: post #14

The NY Times Headline is much more informative and interesting: > U.S. Finds No Evidence of Alien Technology in Flying Objects, but Can’t Rule It Out, Either Sub header: > A new report concedes that much about the observed phenomena remains difficult to explain, including their acceleration, as well as ability to change direction and submerge. Those descriptions are a tectonic shift on the topic from the US governmen…

"Those descriptions are a tectonic shift on the topic from the US government." Feels like we are being primed for something new to be afraid of and give our treasure to in defense of. Aliens being non-peaceful fails so many logic tests though. I hope the script doesn't go that way.

Why would they have to be peaceful? Maybe they want a new vacation home and they're doing recon and prepping the battlefield.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by weego »

starkd wrote: post #2

So, basically they are saying they don't know what the hell they are.

Yes hence the unidentified.

Someone on reddit a while back asked how come UFO pics and video are always so shaky and blurry. The answer of course is that if it was high res and steady cam we'd quickly be able to identify what it was so it stops being a UFO.

It's kinda like asking how come all the cars in the scrap yard have been in accidents.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by colordrops »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #71
swebs wrote: post #66

>Senior US administration officials briefed on the findings of the report said that the majority of more than 120 incidents over the past 20 years did not derive from any US military or other advanced US government technology, according to The New York Times. So they have no evidence that it's aliens, no evidence that it's US military technology, and no evidence that it's foreign technology. In other words nothing ne…

> nothing new has been discovered and we're still at square 1 If there is even a shred of evidence these are not sensor artefacts, that's square 2. It means we are contending with real objects. Maybe not flying ones, but objects nonetheless. That merits attention. (And funding, which I imagine is the point of all this.)

The pilots in the tic tac video visually confirmed the physical objects, even talked about shape and color. That's certainly more than a shred of evidence.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #74
gfodor wrote: post #32

They exist. They are real. They aren't ours. They aren't an adversary's, because a) the military would never admit it if that were possible and b) if it were the case the adversary would have already taken over the world. There's no evidence they were made by aliens, leprechauns, or ghosts. But there's evidence they were made. Not that they are swamp gas or funny clouds. So lets get past that, and realize there's som…

> They exist. They are real. They aren't ours. They aren't an adversary's, because a) the military would never admit it if that were possible and b) if it were the case the adversary would have already taken over the world. can't speak to a), but as for b), it is possible that what they are and what they appear to be are very different things. Imagine, say, a drone swarm with a very flat profile that could turn their…

> it is possible that what they are and what they appear to be are very different things

Could also be a novel stealth mechanism screwing with our sensors.

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