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Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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> Or perhaps not acknowledging that under the umbrella of democracy the same things happen, is whataboutism. No. That may be denial, but “whataboutism” is a variant (or, really, just a different name for) the tu quoque fallacy that deflects criticism by accusing the critic of hypocritically ignoring the same action they criticize when committed by a friendly party (or committing it themselves). A critic denying that…

> the tu quoque fallacy that deflects criticism by accusing the critic of hypocritically ignoring the same action they criticize

I'm not justifying what happens in China, I'm saying that the US democracy spent 65 million dollars of 1948-1970s money to control the politics of a sovereign allied and financed far right terrorist groups that killed hundreds of innocent people and still refuse as of today to release the documents about it.

Sometimes some democracies are simply not better than regimes.

They can be equally bad, you knew if it happened to your country.

So maybe is denial, but maybe whataboutism is the idea that "we did some things, but look at us, we are a democracy, we did it because obviously it was necessary to preserve it, because the others are the real bad ones".

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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If I'm not mistaken java can still be used according to the HarmonyOS developer documentation. Hope they will add a wasm runtime in the future. Might be interesting to see how a third non western eco system will develop over the year. But they should release their sdk in the west soon so people might start tinkering.

There is some stuff here: https://gitee.com/openharmony/docs/tree/master/docker What exactly is a bit unclear and I don't know why it is inside the docs repository.

I just saw they released their SDK and DevEco intellij clone for people outside of China.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Could you expand? Why would Github be fined if they let Huawei on their service? > And don't most sites have a "tell the mods about something that looks illegal" button? I see a big 'flag' button here. Perhaps. I think the debate is about exactly what is illegal, not about features that allow reporting illegal activity.

> Could you expand? Why would Github be fined if they let Huawei on their service? Because they're on the US's Entity List, which bans US companies from doing business with them without case by case, explicit approval from the US Commerce Department. https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-google-android-ban-9... > Perhaps. I think the debate is about exactly what is illegal, not about features that allow reporting i…

> > Could you expand? Why would Github be fined if they let Huawei on their service?

> Because they're on the US's Entity List, which bans US companies from doing business with them without case by case, explicit approval from the US Commerce Department.

Oh wow, I had no idea. I don't know how I missed that. Thanks!

So I guess US companies cannot buy their employees Huawei phones (without explicit approval).

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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There is some stuff here: https://gitee.com/openharmony/docs/tree/master/docker What exactly is a bit unclear and I don't know why it is inside the docs repository.

I just saw they released their SDK and DevEco intellij clone for people outside of China.

I am very curious about their JS based UI framework (that is referenced in their 2.0 canary release notes). Have you seen anything on this? (Examples etc.)

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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> Another major nit I have to pick with HarmonyOS is its lack of access and transparency. Just accessing the SDK and emulator required me to go through an insane process that involved uploading a photo of my US passport and credit card to Huawei’s servers so that I could be approved to access the SDK after a two-day waiting period. Most companies just have a download link. You don’t get to run the emulator locally on…

NVM theres a big sign on process.

https://developer.harmonyos.com/en/docs/documentation/doc-gu...

It seems there are two emulation environments, one that is remote you need to sign in and verify yourself. The other is your local simulator no need to sign in or verify.

The local simulator is only for wearables and cameras, if you want HarmonyOS 2.0 devices you need to use the remote simulator.

Edit: Locally you can only run project templates that have [Lite] in their name, maybe in the future they will make other simulators available. Signing up for remote emulation is too much of a effort for me.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

The "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Information." is link to government website for user to report illegal and harmful information. It is a link, not part of gitee website. It is better translated into "Portal for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Information", the linked website is: https://12377.cn/

It's basically the report button on github. This 1 hour old account clearly has an axe to grind. The criticisms aren't even decent.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Fascinating to see how much is 'inspired' by Apple's design and Microsoft's for the document app. I'd feel dirty in so blatantly copying someone else's design, but Huawei doesn't share those concerns. Maybe for good reason.

Let the best win, isn't that our modern capitalism's answer? If Huawei is copying they will always lag behind. Still, are they really copying? or are they piecing innovations together into a new improved product? Give them a break and a chance to bring something new - sanctions and all, it is pretty impressive they have persevered.

China is copying sure but SELLING FOR LESS.

Why is Xiaomi in second place now in Europe? Because their phones are cheap. They are the IKEA of smartphones.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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I just saw they released their SDK and DevEco intellij clone for people outside of China.

I am very curious about their JS based UI framework (that is referenced in their 2.0 canary release notes). Have you seen anything on this? (Examples etc.)

I think its described over here in the docs:

https://developer.harmonyos.com/en/docs/documentation/doc-gu...

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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I just saw they released their SDK and DevEco intellij clone for people outside of China.

I am very curious about their JS based UI framework (that is referenced in their 2.0 canary release notes). Have you seen anything on this? (Examples etc.)

It appears to be documented here:

https://gitee.com/openharmony/docs/tree/master/en/applicatio...

Some example code here:

https://gitee.com/openharmony/docs/blob/master/en/applicatio...

Apparently made very web like with ui layouts described in hml Huawei markup language rather than html.

Also lots of low level access - you can query the temperature of the battery via one of the apis.

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