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Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by brodo »

Santosh83 wrote: post #18
karlp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Honestly is it any less "baked in" than the pre-eminent Western powers? Because it's _less_ "baked-in". Germany just recognized their part in a genocide, China has yet to acknowledge the Tiananmen massacre.

Acknowledgement is lip service, especially decades after the fact. If they provide significant compensation, then yes. There is hope for better days for China too, but not by portraying them as unmitigated evil. I can't think of any significant nation that has caved to orchestrated, vested moral outrage and said "sorry you guys... we'll hold elections next years and play by your rules henceforth", especially when the…

Germany will provide around 1.1 billion EUR but they will do it by sponsoring social projects over the next 30 years.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by ylyn »

88840-8855 wrote: post #20
karlp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Honestly is it any less "baked in" than the pre-eminent Western powers? Because it's _less_ "baked-in". Germany just recognized their part in a genocide, China has yet to acknowledge the Tiananmen massacre.

How did they not "acknowledge" it? They did and they do. "They" call it "1989 incident" and despite the Western believe Chinese people are aware of that incident. And yet, most people I have spoken to in my countless trips to China follow the words of Deng Xiaoping that it was worth to sacrifice 3000 lifes for 30 years of stability. Edit: by the way, it annoys me that I got trolled into posting something totally unre…

> it was worth to sacrifice 3000 lifes for 30 years of stability.

No one knows what China would be like now had the CCP acceeded to the students' demands and liberalised.

Taiwan ended their long period of martial law around the same time too, and for a nation with so much stacked against it, you can hardly say they're doing badly.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by riffraff »

Santosh83 wrote: post #18
karlp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Honestly is it any less "baked in" than the pre-eminent Western powers? Because it's _less_ "baked-in". Germany just recognized their part in a genocide, China has yet to acknowledge the Tiananmen massacre.

Acknowledgement is lip service, especially decades after the fact. If they provide significant compensation, then yes. There is hope for better days for China too, but not by portraying them as unmitigated evil. I can't think of any significant nation that has caved to orchestrated, vested moral outrage and said "sorry you guys... we'll hold elections next years and play by your rules henceforth", especially when the…

> I can't think of any significant nation that has caved to orchestrated, vested moral outrage and said "sorry you guys... we'll hold elections next years and play by your rules henceforth",

Governments regularly cave in due to protests in democratic countries. It happened in the Netherlands a few months ago, for example.

Moreover, it's fundamentally important the fact that protests exist.

Comparing any western democracy to a dictatorship is the worst form of whataboutism.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by swiley »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #30
swiley wrote: post #22

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It would be cool if the technology wasn't abused to push political regimes.

Not that the US military regime and imposed technological supremacy is much better (for us non American) see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27338555

Yeah, I post the same stuff in iOS threads.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by yangcheng »

throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

How can not hosting on Github an argument for "censorship first"? Even if Hauwei can use github today, it can easily lost the access when POTUS sign an executive order.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by dantondwa »

suction wrote: post #11
throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

Yet as a European I wonder - what with the neofascist takeover attempts powered by post truth and fake news (aka "harmful information") that were successful in Russia, and will probably some day be successful in the US...maybe China is on to something good here?

What if the state itself propagates those "harmful information"? It is a mistake to think that fake news are created spontaneously and that an intervention from above can fix the problem, given that it is plausible to think that they are, in fact, propagated by our media, politicians and state agents.

Also, I'd like to highlight that: 1) Putin has risen to power well before the existence of Internet fake news. Complex factors justify his political existence: economic depression of the country in the 90s; religion; the support of Russian oligarchs; fear of political instability. To say that they were successful in Russia is an oversimplification. 2) They did, however, play a big role in the 2016 US elections :-)

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by monocasa »

tome wrote: post #27
monocasa wrote: post #21

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Can Huawei use Github anymore? Wouldn't that be US based technology that would be fined or worse if they allowed Huawei on in an explicit way? And don't most sites have a "tell the mods about something that looks illegal" button? I see a big 'flag' button here.

Could you expand? Why would Github be fined if they let Huawei on their service? > And don't most sites have a "tell the mods about something that looks illegal" button? I see a big 'flag' button here. Perhaps. I think the debate is about exactly what is illegal, not about features that allow reporting illegal activity.

> Could you expand? Why would Github be fined if they let Huawei on their service?

Because they're on the US's Entity List, which bans US companies from doing business with them without case by case, explicit approval from the US Commerce Department.

https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-google-android-ban-9...

> Perhaps. I think the debate is about exactly what is illegal, not about features that allow reporting illegal activity.

Sure, but pearl clutching over a 'contact the mods' button or the fact that they didn't host their code on a US site that they're literally banned from interacting with by the US government doesn't really further that discussion, and in my mind cheapens the valid discussion around actual CCP issues.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by jacobwilliamroy »

suction wrote: post #11
throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

Yet as a European I wonder - what with the neofascist takeover attempts powered by post truth and fake news (aka "harmful information") that were successful in Russia, and will probably some day be successful in the US...maybe China is on to something good here?

It already is successful in the U.S. We just had a coup attempt back in January because an angry mob was convinced that our presidential election was rigged. I don't really know what to do about the misinformation other than systematically destroy the internet: just start smashing routers and cutting cables and don't stop until everything goes back to normal.
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