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Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by k-mcgrady »

aikinai wrote: post #70
k-mcgrady wrote: post #60

"Cook wrapped up the memo by saying that he's looking forward to seeing employee faces. "I know I'm not alone in missing the hum of activity, the energy, creativity and collaboration of our in-person meetings and the sense of community we've all built," he wrote." CEO's all spout the same nonsense. The majority of people work because they need to earn money. They're not working to make a new 'family' or change the wo…

Your comment might make sense in a completely different context, but this is Apple! Everyone there could be making more money for less stress somewhere else, but they’re at Apple since they believe in or appreciate something else about the company, whether that’s the vision, the colleagues, the hard problems, etc. Apple is probably the number one company where your comment is not true.

True but my point was more than you will find every CEO that forces people to come back make a similar statement.

Also - Apple is a large company. Not everybody there is working on the next big thing. I'm sure there are plenty of people doing their job at Apple for money alone like anywhere else.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by d3ntb3ev1l »

pochamago wrote: post #69
k-mcgrady wrote: post #60

"Cook wrapped up the memo by saying that he's looking forward to seeing employee faces. "I know I'm not alone in missing the hum of activity, the energy, creativity and collaboration of our in-person meetings and the sense of community we've all built," he wrote." CEO's all spout the same nonsense. The majority of people work because they need to earn money. They're not working to make a new 'family' or change the wo…

There are also plenty of people who like their coworkers and enjoy spending time with them each day. I don't think everybody finds work to be an unfulfilling drain on their leisure time

In the Bay Area I found it to be nothing but a draining slog when not able to work remote

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

version_five wrote: post #43
cat_plus_plus wrote: post #7

Fine, but if any company makes me wear a mask for 8 hours, I am out of there. Work remotely or come to a normal office sure.

It's a religion now, and an important part of testing your adherence is going to be seeing whether you're willing to wear a mask all day at work, tell others how important it is, and cluck and shake your head at the unenlightened (anti-maskers) that disagree with you. I understand this will be perceived as a troll post, but this as absolutely the setup I am seeing.

I wish people would not flag comments like this. I don't agree with the commenter at all, but killing their comment doesn't help us have a conversation about their concerns. It's critical that we resolve these conflicts and not do what we (as a society) have been doing for years, where we treat people like an "other" and shun them because we don't want to deal with them.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by d3ntb3ev1l »

actuator wrote: post #73

I can see why Apple did this. Based on data from internal surveys I know from big tech companies, there has been a split between three cohorts; remote, some days in office and all days in office. The some/all days cohort in office is the one that is the majority in almost all big tech companies. So, tech companies have to retain their offices. If they are paying for those spaces, do they not allow the employees who w…

What’s odd is the already distributed teams are effectively remote from different regions. So they need to drive into an office so they can jump on zoom?

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by mattnewton »

aikinai wrote: post #70
k-mcgrady wrote: post #60

"Cook wrapped up the memo by saying that he's looking forward to seeing employee faces. "I know I'm not alone in missing the hum of activity, the energy, creativity and collaboration of our in-person meetings and the sense of community we've all built," he wrote." CEO's all spout the same nonsense. The majority of people work because they need to earn money. They're not working to make a new 'family' or change the wo…

Your comment might make sense in a completely different context, but this is Apple! Everyone there could be making more money for less stress somewhere else, but they’re at Apple since they believe in or appreciate something else about the company, whether that’s the vision, the colleagues, the hard problems, etc. Apple is probably the number one company where your comment is not true.

As a former Apple employee, I disagree that Apple is that different- YMMV depending on the group of course, but there are people who are overworked and underpaid drinking the kool-aid, and there are plenty of people underworking who wouldn't be able to get a similar job at a big company. I do agree that they tend to compensate you in brand value/equity instead of top of market salaries though :D

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by amznthrwaway »

desine wrote: post #66
version_five wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a religion now, and an important part of testing your adherence is going to be seeing whether you're willing to wear a mask all day at work, tell others how important it is, and cluck and shake your head at the unenlightened (anti-maskers) that disagree with you. I understand this will be perceived as a troll post, but this as absolutely the setup I am seeing.

It’s been a religion from day 1. PCR tests being run at too high of a cycle count was a conspiracy theory until it wasn’t. Hospitals being incentivized to mark any possible patients as COVID cases for extra government money was a conspiracy theory until it wasn’t. Mandatory vaccination with a drug that hasn’t even gotten FDA approval was a theory and yet I see people call for it. People I had had great chats with abo…

We get it dude: you’re a far-gone extremist and you’re extremely stupid.

Just fuck off out of society, you utterly useless piece of shit. You contribute nothing but whining and crying, you worthless baby.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by jolux »

aikinai wrote: post #70
k-mcgrady wrote: post #60

"Cook wrapped up the memo by saying that he's looking forward to seeing employee faces. "I know I'm not alone in missing the hum of activity, the energy, creativity and collaboration of our in-person meetings and the sense of community we've all built," he wrote." CEO's all spout the same nonsense. The majority of people work because they need to earn money. They're not working to make a new 'family' or change the wo…

Your comment might make sense in a completely different context, but this is Apple! Everyone there could be making more money for less stress somewhere else, but they’re at Apple since they believe in or appreciate something else about the company, whether that’s the vision, the colleagues, the hard problems, etc. Apple is probably the number one company where your comment is not true.

Less stress probably, but don’t they pay pretty well?

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by mikepurvis »

cnasc wrote: post #42
mikepurvis wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone where I live gets the MMR vaccine in grade school.

I also don’t live in Brooklyn, but some people do

For me, it's Canada:

"Routine childhood immunization: 2 doses of any measles-containing (MMR or MMRV) vaccine. The first dose of measles-containing vaccine should be administered at 12 to 15 months of age and the second dose at 18 months of age or any time thereafter, but no later than around school entry."

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/publications...

Many school boards require it, along with DPTP, hep-b, and others. Maybe it's a socialized medicine thing?

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by d3ntb3ev1l »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #28

Why? Because of the already sunk cost into office space? Any other reasons? I know I can drive 40 min and stare at the same laptop and email/zoom with the same people. What’s in it for me? All I see is unnecessary agony, and a lot of it. I produce more from home. Why does an employer want me to suffer more, even if it will cost them? What’s in it for them?

Agreed. Pretty lame the logic is “imagine the hallway conversations that spur innovation.”

Didn’t Einstein work on relatively writing papers and mailing letters to his peers?

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by aikinai »

coldtea wrote: post #68
Nbox9 wrote: post #51

I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

> I save money by spending less on food, drinks, and electricity. Compared to commuting (car+gas) and time-to-commute opportunity costs (to use for personal house tasks, side projects, self health)? I seriously doubt it.

Why does everyone here just assume that everyone’s commute is as bad as theirs? There are many people in the current working generation that avoided the soul-sucking suburban commute from the start.
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