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Re: PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter

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Post by wydfre »

qualudeheart wrote: post #118
wydfre wrote: post #101

Why would anyone support Tor? I mean, really, it allows for absolute evil. I would rather read about terrorist attacks in countries because of discontent than read about a tor site, okay? I used it once to try and find an anti-government website, something like the anarchy cookbook but practical and a forum, and I found a Tor site that looked normal but just scared the bejesus out of me. Never used Tor since. Well, I…

Please do not pollute the informational commons.

Have you ever read about a Tor network in the news and wanted to drink until you have liver damage?

Quit being smart enough to justify evil apparent.

At least I don't have to worry about where my monero or zcash is going; you do. Cash is anonymous - but mine at worst came from a strip joint, drug deal or hooker.

And you work in national security at Anduril. Please be a normal consistent person.

Re: PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter

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Post by endgame »

Qub3d wrote: post #43
syntheticnature wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that it really matters to your points, but eBay and Paypal split in 2015.

Not only did they split, they just forced all sellers to move from PayPal to direct deposit: https://gizmodo.com/ebay-and-paypal-finally-break-up-for-goo...

And in the small print, turning that on allows ebay to make withdrawals against your deposit account!

Re: PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter

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Post by kyboren »

wydfre wrote: post #101

Why would anyone support Tor? I mean, really, it allows for absolute evil. I would rather read about terrorist attacks in countries because of discontent than read about a tor site, okay? I used it once to try and find an anti-government website, something like the anarchy cookbook but practical and a forum, and I found a Tor site that looked normal but just scared the bejesus out of me. Never used Tor since. Well, I…

> I am a paranoid schizophrenic [...] At least I would include instructions that indicate Tor exit nodes as viable terrorist strikes.

Add that to the list of reasons not to run a Tor exit node from your home Internet connection: Your house will be targeted for a terrorist attack by a self-admitted paranoid schizophrenic.

Re: PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter

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Post by 3np »

exporectomy wrote: post #98
convery wrote: post #20

Holding the money hostage for half a year on a 20 year old account? Not surprising. Paypal and their other entities like Ebay are pretty shit when it comes to nuance and their impact on others. Had a 15 year old Paypal business account (parent started it and I took it over ~7 years ago) and last year they shut it down because I, as the new owner, was not 18 when the account was created. Nothing from the support but "…

I know that's mean of them but is it possible the account still had your parent's identity attached to it? You certainly shouldn't be access an account as if you're someone else. For example, did you provided Paypal with all the identification documentation to prove you're your real self and not still your parent?

I registered my PayPal account myself at 17, no sharing. Had it permanently blocked and prohibited from ever opening a new one 10 years later. Completely out of the blue and registering as underage was the stated reason.

Re: PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter

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Post by 3np »

wydfre wrote: post #121
qualudeheart wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please do not pollute the informational commons.

Have you ever read about a Tor network in the news and wanted to drink until you have liver damage? Quit being smart enough to justify evil apparent. At least I don't have to worry about where my monero or zcash is going; you do. Cash is anonymous - but mine at worst came from a strip joint, drug deal or hooker. And you work in national security at Anduril. Please be a normal consistent person.

Nowhere do you write exactly what you are afraid of and why, and what with the Tor network you consider evil. Could you elaborate on that rather than how angry you are?

Re: PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

3np wrote: post #124
exporectomy wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know that's mean of them but is it possible the account still had your parent's identity attached to it? You certainly shouldn't be access an account as if you're someone else. For example, did you provided Paypal with all the identification documentation to prove you're your real self and not still your parent?

I registered my PayPal account myself at 17, no sharing. Had it permanently blocked and prohibited from ever opening a new one 10 years later. Completely out of the blue and registering as underage was the stated reason.

I sold a gun on Gunbroker, they have a PayPal button as an option for some inexplicable reason. I wasn’t thinking about terms of service and clicked it. Buyer clicks it on his end, but there was an issue with his dealer and I refunded him, sale fell through. PayPal bans me three months later without saying why.

I explain it was an accident to click the PayPal button and it didn’t go through.

Banned for life :D PayPal can join the rest of the former tech giants anytime.

Re: PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter

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Post by abawany »

Qub3d wrote: post #43
syntheticnature wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that it really matters to your points, but eBay and Paypal split in 2015.

Not only did they split, they just forced all sellers to move from PayPal to direct deposit: https://gizmodo.com/ebay-and-paypal-finally-break-up-for-goo...

This is what caused me to let me eBay seller account die - they demanded Social Security Number (SSN) to continue selling. Call me crazy but giving my SSN to a company where the C-suite thugs sent live cockroaches to bloggers for negative articles seems like a bad idea.

Re: PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter

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Post by CapricornNoble »

xvector wrote: post #52
skrowl wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Monero + Distributed Exchanges will go a long way to fix these kinds of online payment problems. Unfortunately, at least near term you'll still need fiat-tether "on ramps" to convert your local currency back and forth to tether before you move them to a distributed (or at least a non-KYC) exchange to Monero, then sending to your local wallet, then use online.

Yup. It’s worth checking out LocalMonero [1] and the Haveno DEX [2]. The former already works and lets you buy Monero without relying on a KYC exchange. [1] https://localmonero.co/ [2] https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno

Thanks for sharing Haveno. Sounds like it's not a mature app though. I would recommend Bisq as a more refined alternative:

https://bisq.network/

Re: PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter

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Post by LegitShady »

theturtletalks wrote: post #59
amaccuish wrote: post #45

We turned off PayPal for certain countries, because the "buyer protection" found too often in an obviously fraudster favour. (reinjection of label into UPS network, forged label for return address etc. PayPal doesn't care as long as there is a tracking number... who cares where it goes to right?). Anyone who has ever had anything to do with PayPal as a Seller will tell you the same thing, as a buyer, always order wit…

Everyone is locked-in to PayPal at this point. Buyers have their credit cards on it and get buyer protection. Sellers have to support it since buyer's use PayPal as the default and don't trust companies with their credit card info.

I dont actually know anyone who uses ebay or paypal today. I looked at ebay for a used book ($$$$) a while back and they weren't competitive with used book dealers, especially once shipping was factored in.

Re: PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter

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Post by guntab-dan »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #126
3np wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I registered my PayPal account myself at 17, no sharing. Had it permanently blocked and prohibited from ever opening a new one 10 years later. Completely out of the blue and registering as underage was the stated reason.

I sold a gun on Gunbroker, they have a PayPal button as an option for some inexplicable reason. I wasn’t thinking about terms of service and clicked it. Buyer clicks it on his end, but there was an issue with his dealer and I refunded him, sale fell through. PayPal bans me three months later without saying why. I explain it was an accident to click the PayPal button and it didn’t go through. Banned for life :D PayPal…

I work in "online payments for guns" and it's amazing how many innocent people get banned by PayPal over guns. I talk to at least one per week. In almost every case, these people simply weren't aware that PayPal prohibits firearm transactions. Although PayPal doesn't provide much warning, it is actually following an industry-wide practice. All the payment platforms prohibit guns [1].

[1] https://www.guntab.com/payment-platform-firearm-policies

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